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After last night’s episode, Alex Kurtzman and Alan Van Sprang speak about why Control was created, what went wrong, and how it...

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[DaveyNY]

Well, that certainly DIDN'T clear up if the BORG are being referenced in the show.

 

[Terok Nor]

I'm getting Borg vibes. The only thing putting me off is that the Borg don't eradicate biological life, they assimilate it into their collective.

 

[Kor]

When the Borg first appeared in TNG, there was a sense that they only wanted to assimilate technology.

Kor

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm getting Borg vibes. The only thing putting me off is that the Borg don't eradicate biological life, they assimilate it into their collective.

Perhaps having assimilated Leiland, they'll decide there's a use for biological life after all...

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

Perhaps having assimilated Leiland, they'll decide there's a use for biological life after all...

For the Borg we know, I think it was useful to keep biological life around because those individual minds had intuition and creativity that an A.I. mind lacked - which is exactly why a fully sentient A.I. wouldn't need the biological component at all. Hence the need to prevent full sentience by destroying the sphere data. With the sphere data, the Borg could go fully artificial and eliminate sentient life. But it's definitely still unclear whether it's the Borg anyway.

 

[Noname Given]

I'm getting Borg vibes. The only thing putting me off is that the Borg don't eradicate biological life, they assimilate it into their collective.

IDK - The Borg are Cybernetic (IE they have BOTH organic and non-organic parts.) Thus Control wanting to wipe out ALL form of sentient organic life would not be a 'Borg' philosophy in that the Borg want to have the advantages allowed by combining organic and biological parts.

TLDR - No, Control isn't creating 'The Borg'.

 

[MrPointy]

TLDR - No, Control isn't creating 'The Borg'.

Well... considering all the timey-wimey going on right now, maybe Control/Leland is defeated by being sent to the Delta Quadrant waaaaay in the past, and the Leland part forces Control to adapt its philosophy to needing to assimilate organic life.

Boom - origin of the Borg.

 

[eschaton]

For the Borg we know, I think it was useful to keep biological life around because those individual minds had intuition and creativity that an A.I. mind lacked - which is exactly why a fully sentient A.I. wouldn't need the biological component at all. Hence the need to prevent full sentience by destroying the sphere data. With the sphere data, the Borg could go fully artificial and eliminate sentient life. But it's definitely still unclear whether it's the Borg anyway.

Voyager even retconned the Borg for some insane reason so that drones could not biologically reproduce at all - even though we saw a baby Borg in Q Who.

 

[thribs]

At least we now have a face for Control to imagine for the Section 31 novel.

 

[thribs]

Voyager even retconned the Borg for some insane reason so that drones could not biologically reproduce at all - even though we saw a baby Borg in Q Who.

I don’t think that was a retcon. I think the babies were all artificially created. Using machines to justate it.

 

[DaveyNY]

I don’t think that was a retcon. I think the babies were all artificially created. Using machines to justate it.

I thought at the time that it was just a child of someone who was assimilated from a colony or something and was going through the process much slower for it's survival.
It made them even creepier to think they would do it to babies.

 

[thribs]

I thought at the time that it was just a child of someone who was assimilated from a colony or something and was going through the process much slower for it's survival.
It made them even creepier to think they would do it to babies.

Could be that as well.

 

[Brainsucker]

Wait a minutes! Doesn't Borg has been around in Star Trek Enterprise?

 

[thribs]

Wait a minutes! Doesn't Borg has been around in Star Trek Enterprise?

Longer than that. In Dragons Teeth they were said to be around 800 years prior.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

If Control is the/one of the /origin(s) of the Borg it could mean that it or the Borg hive mind became suicidal over the long millenia of being stranded in the past and it searched for ways to erase itself from existing.

Maybe its just a cog in the big machine and hasn't total control (Sorry :-) ) over the hivemind, just enough to manipulate it to travel into the past at Sector 001 to erase itself from the timeframe.

 

[Tuskin38]

Wait a minutes! Doesn't Borg has been around in Star Trek Enterprise?

Time travel.

 

[Crazyewok]

IDK - The Borg are Cybernetic (IE they have BOTH organic and non-organic parts.) Thus Control wanting to wipe out ALL form of sentient organic life would not be a 'Borg' philosophy in that the Borg want to have the advantages allowed by combining organic and biological parts.

TLDR - No, Control isn't creating 'The Borg'.

It could just be using both technology to achieve its ends like lore in TNG

Wait a minutes! Doesn't Borg has been around in Star Trek Enterprise?

Longer than that. In Dragons Teeth they were said to be around 800 years prior.

That's coming at the angle that the Borg have only one origin.
A hive mind bent on assimilation could be a common theme in the evolution of cybernetic organisms. Common like eyes and limbs are in biological evolution.

In effect hives could spring up in different places at diffrent times, merging as they grow larger.
Even if you eradicate the Borg, it would likely pop up a again when some other race starts screwing with cybernetics or worse time travel.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The Borg: Section 31's Frankenstein's Monster. Yeah, that's just what Star Trek needs.

 

[XCV330]

Doesn't seem Borg like to me. I think they like throwing off the wiff of slightly fermented red herring, but I'm not buying.