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Spoilers Continuation of 25th Century Trek?
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Yet at the same time he's always talking to Kurtzman about it.Has anyone noticed that Terry Matalas is stating "Nothing is in Development at Paramount for Star Trek Legacy"
Though the production company Secret Hideout is contracted to produce Trek content for Paramount, and that is who Terry has been employed with for Picard.
Sometimes you have to go into legal/politician speak to read between the lines.
*Just being a little hopeful here.
His brother Chris Shaw or maybe Luke. Could be Noel.If Legacy ever becomes a thing, would they resurrect Liam Shaw?
Because if they do, I'M THERE.#TeamDipshit
Evil Shaw from the Mirror Universe (they did it once)
Condescending Shaw from the JJ-verse.
That's the point I'm at. Nostalgia isn't necessarily bad. It's bad when they use it in place of a story, and parts of Picard S3 bordered on that.
I also like entirely new, fresh stories too. I can certainly imagine getting that in a new ST series, but also happy to find it elsewhere.
I love SNW. But it is a nostalgia based show. However, this gets to the point I was discussing earlier. There's nostalgia instead of story (portions of Picard S3), but then there's nostalgia in addition to well written stories, and that's SNW.
Your comments about learning about the legacy TOS characters of Uhura and Chapel makes that point exactly. Plus add in Spock and Pike.
Both are based on nostalgia, but one doesn't use it as a crutch.
Kurtzman may want to do it. It's really up to to the Paramount executives as well.
I've enjoyed the other shows and I've been thinking about it more I think an exploration show that continues the Berman era timeline is what I've wanted since DS9/Voyager ended. I've enjoyed LD and Prodigy that at least have done things in the post-Nemesis timeline, but this is Starfleet in that timeline.
I'm keeping an open mind about Academy and I'm hoping it's a well written show - but it's not a concept I'm interested in. I'm only going to check it out because it's Star Trek.
I'm keeping an open mind about Academy and I'm hoping it's a well written show - but it's not a concept I'm interested in. I'm only going to check it out because it's Star Trek.
Oh please. SNW features a Captain and First Ifficer that had a total of one real hour in Star Trek lore previously. The uniforms are also quite different from the original TOS uniforms. Yes there's some original series characters, but it's way less nostalgic than Picard season 3.
For example: The Enterprise in smw is not the original Enterprise from TOS at all. All the sets and Exteriors are updated and brand new to SNW.
Picard season 3 on the other hand blue the majority of its budget on recreating the 1701-D Bridge set for a total of 2 days of filming on it. They also Faithfully recreated the original Galaxy class desig for its appearance in the final episode.
Even the creator of the displays on the new Titan Bridge set said you took great pains to make the LCARS interface look like the 24th century LCARS interface used in TNG. Lastly the 25th Century uniforms are pretty much the same uniforms used during the early seasons of DS9 and all 7 seasons of Voyager. Yes they have a little more flare in some spots, but the way the whole series was lit you can barely make that aspect out.
So sorry I think your claim is reversed
SNW is the series that at times does border on nostalgia.
By comparison however, Piccard season 3 absolutely wallowed in TNG nostalgia backwards and forwards.
Picard season 3 set up stuff like the Portal weapon and asked questions like how is the Queen was talking to Vadic through her hand and across great distances, made us wonder why nobody bothered to check on Beverly for 20something years and the answers we got were
THE OLD ENTERPRISE IS BACK, AND SHE HAS CARPETS!!!!!
OH YEAH KILLING THE BORG FOR THE 437TH TIME!!!!!!!
OMG HE'S LOCUTUS AGAIN PLUGGED HIMSELF RIGHT IN FUCK YEAH REMEMBER LOCUTUS???
THE OLD ENTERPRISE IS BACK, AND SHE HAS CARPETS!!!!!
OH YEAH KILLING THE BORG FOR THE 437TH TIME!!!!!!!
OMG HE'S LOCUTUS AGAIN PLUGGED HIMSELF RIGHT IN FUCK YEAH REMEMBER LOCUTUS???
Shaw from the Mirror universe is a super nice guy.
The Enterprise 1701. Pike. Spock. Number One. M'Benga. Uhura. Chapel. Khan descendant. T'Pring. Nope, no nostalgia factor there.
And in case you forgot - look Jack looks just like Locutus when assimilated!
I've said this before but there is a section of the fanbase that has this weird nihilistic view of an almost anti-past that insists that nothing before mattered and people are wrong for thinking of it.
I think some of the difference is that frankly generations like mine that grew up on TOS are just getting so old that there's not much collective nostalgia anymore. For all intents and purposes M'Benga and T'Pring might as well be brand new characters. The Gorn are completely reinvented. The fact that these are familiar to us are just the wink and the nod we get for sticking around all these years.
All the ham fisted stuff in Picard season 3 on the other hand is not a reinvention; it's just Star Trek XVI: Again With the Borg.
The TOS stuff is more of a radical departure. There's much more enforced conservatism in stuff like Picard season 3.
This is frankly why I find SNW and Discovery exciting and interesting while finding Picard fun and diverting but ultimately dull.
If Legacy happens I want Soji on the crew.
Personally, I liked the characters of Jack Crusher, Seven, Shaw, and Sidney LaForge. I liked the Titan/Enterprise as a ship (as far as renaming it the Enterprise, as a coda to the TNG era, I have no problem with it. As a ship moving forward, I would have preferred it to remain the Titan). If they made a show with those elements that moved the franchise FORWARD, I would love that. If they did it as Matalas suggests and did it as a "where are they now" of the Alpha/Beta quadrant, I have no interest in that. I would be OK if one episode of a 10 episode season was "hey look, it's Quark!" but nothing more than that. (And while I'm in a wish list, I like the episodic/serial hybrid model like Buffy. There's a big bad with a story working in the background, but that is weaved into largely episodic stories).
That's a really interesting observation. Is there a post where you expand upon it?
I haven't really expanded upon it, but I've observed that there seems to be this opinion that the past is ephemeral and fleeting, and that Trek should forever be in pursuit of "something new," and that any references to the past automatically make the content "less than." The response to this is typically, "I just don't want nostalgia for nostalgia's sake," or, "I don't want the nostalgia to be distracting and take away from the story," but what inevitably happens is that any and all past references/callbacks/whatever get categorized as the bad and distracting kind.
I term this nihilism because it makes the approach to the franchise rootless, seemingly believing that nothing in it matters except the present for its immediate existence and then once it is past it then becomes meaningless. This is a bit of a reductio ad absurdum but it's how I see the logical extension of a lot of the anti-nostalgist arguments.
Why do I disagree? Because Trek is a multi-decade spanning "history of the future" BUT it is also a story about characters. Referring to and including past characters/events/whatever grounds the audience in the vast universe, reminding us not just of the events that those characters were a part of but also the way we as an audience FELT about those characters and events. So, for me, nostalgia doesn't cheapen current events, it deepens our connection to them because we are witnessing and processing them with the entire backstory and set of feelings/experiences IN ADDITION to the feelings about what is currently happening. It can make for a more multilayered experience. The more nihilistic approach can lead to newness for the sake of newness, which can be hollow in franchise as deep as Trek, as well as lead to the trend of cynical deconstruction that can happen in lots of franchises (e.g., PIC S1 and S2, Superman, some of the SW sequel trilogy, etc.)
I hope this makes at least some sense!
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