Consolidated Trailer Thread

[Enterprise1701]

Picard isn't serving in the British navy. He's serving in Starfleet. He's saying it the Starfleet way.

That's not a very good excuse when Star Trek is set in the future but mostly uses real life present day language conventions. In real life, language would most certainly evolve to be significantly different centuries on. Star Trek doesn't work that way.

The Royal navy don't say 'leftenant' anyway, that's an army/RAF thing. The way the word is pronounced is a service specific thing. Starfleet say 'lootenant' so Picard, a veteran of the service for several decades, does. No mystery.

Wait, seriously? British sailors say it like Americans?

 

[Noname Given]

Abrams version of Star Trek, for the masses. The purpose of the show will be to cover contemporary topics by providing the liberalist worldview on them. This isn't Trek per se, but uses the Trek story as a cover for a modern, humanistic-theorized drama.

^^^
Did you ever really watch Star Trek (TOS, TNG, et. al.)? I ask because the part bolded above that's exactly what the various versions of Star Trek have done for the past 50+ years.

 

[cultcross]

Wait, seriously? British sailors say it like Americans?

The navy and army have very different traditions having grown up very separately. The navy salute the American way (Palm inward), for example, not the way the British army do (Palm outward). They don't say 'lootenant' quite like the Americans but there's no 'f' there either. Something like 'l'tenant'.

 

[johnjm22]

Trek has always had a more left wing point of view to an extent, but a lot of conservative people are fans of the show.

 

[RAMA]

Abrams isn't working on this show, but I don't understand the problem..

RAMA

Abrams version of Star Trek, for the masses. The purpose of the show will be to cover contemporary topics by providing the liberalist worldview on them. This isn't Trek per se, but uses the Trek story as a cover for a modern, humanistic-theorized drama.

 

[RAMA]

Outside of TrekBBS, the majority of the comments/reaction I'm seeing around the web is negative.

Generally comments sections are dominated with those motivated by something to say.. They're unhappy. People who are satisfied tend not to be as vocal. The statistics are showing an overwhelming positive reaction and likes, but of course the unhappy people are complaining. The Media reaction as per the TrekMovie report are also overwhelmingly positive.

Edit: Just checked twitter, also very positive with a focus on diversity.

 

[jamestyler]

That's not a very good excuse when Star Trek is set in the future but mostly uses real life present day language conventions. In real life, language would most certainly evolve to be significantly different centuries on. Star Trek doesn't work that way.

It's nothing to do with timeline setting and everything to do with the setting in general. If I was from a traditional British family and ended up signing up to be in the USAF I'd look a complete idiot forcing one services term in place of the term the service I'm in uses.

In a ridiculous oversimplification setting it'd be like working in Burger King and refusing to call them anything but Big Mac's.

Wait, seriously? British sailors say it like Americans?

....and actually, yes they do I was offered a loo-tenant position, not a left tenant. Sadly I can't swim, which annoyed some people recruiting me.

 

[BillJ]

Generally comments sections are dominated with those motivated by something to say.. They're unhappy. People who are satisfied tend not to be as vocal.

Agreed. Though that hasn't stopped there from people here seemingly very satisfied.

The statistics are showing an overwhelming positive reaction and likes...

What statistics?

 

[RAMA]

Agreed. Though that hasn't stopped there from people here seemingly very satisfied.



What statistics?

Various "likes" and polls. Last time I looked the cbs video was literally 40 to 1 positive. Even the usual target for unhappiness-the official YouTube video--was beyond double ratio in likes: 18k to 8k.

Edit: just checked: cbs video: 46.5k likes/loves to 400 dislikes/hates. Overwhelmingly positive. The two main videos: 64.5k to 8.5k. Huge.

The trailer has over 5. 6 million views between the two main sources.

 

[T'Bonz]

Abrams version of Star Trek, for the masses. The purpose of the show will be to cover contemporary topics by providing the liberalist worldview on them. This isn't Trek per se, but uses the Trek story as a cover for a modern, humanistic-theorized drama.

Oh, that's rubbish. Trek has always come from that viewpoint. The original series addressed the Vietnam War (A Private Little War) and other topics such as racism and such (racism at the time of Martin Luther King).

That didn't make them necessarily hostile to those who were moderate/conservative either, in later shows religion was presented truthfully as in Bajoran religion in DS9 - both positive and negative aspects. Kira was a woman of faith. So they were reasonably even-handed in that regard. Occasionally they strayed a bit far left, but I'm sure there were liberals who rolled their eyes at the Bajoran religion being presented positively too.

With Hollywood leaning left, one would expect liberal attitudes to come across the screen. As long as people are fair and not attacking those with conservative beliefs, that's OK. I don't mean condoning any negative conservative views, but attacking the reasonable ones. Star Trek usually doesn't.

Although I confess, their attitude that people work for the common good and without pay made me laugh heartily. Whatever Roddenberry et al were smoking to come out with that belief, I want some. People are motivated by self-interest and aren't going to roll out of bed at 7 AM to clean conduits unless they at least get access to the holodeck for recreation.

 

[Markonian]

Haven't found any threat on it yet but...
I can't make sense of "biologically determined to sense death." Is the species bred with a 6th sense? But 'death' is not a physical something, it's an event. How can you sense an event?

 

[F. King Daniel]

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McCoy's line at 0:54 was never in the film, it was edited together from other lines not from that scene just to make it more dramatic.

Or this one, where the line from the end and nothing else said by Benedict Cumberbatch was actually in the movie.

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[Captain Indecisive]

Abrams version of Star Trek, for the masses. The purpose of the show will be to cover contemporary topics by providing the liberalist worldview on them. This isn't Trek per se, but uses the Trek story as a cover for a modern, humanistic-theorized drama.

A series has more time and freedom to explore those elements and can cater to a specific audience. There is no difference between the reboot Kirk movies and the Shatner Kirk movies, with themselves differed somewhat from the series.

 

[RAMA]

Haven't found any threat on it yet but...
I can't make sense of "biologically determined to sense death." Is the species bred with a 6th sense? But 'death' is not a physical something, it's an event. How can you sense an event?

The same biological/science fictional rationale behind Guinan's extra-temporal perception senses. We really don't know. Possibly something to do with probability or his brain tapping into multiversal potentialities. That's my story and sticking to it.

 

[Markonian]

The same biological/science fictional rationale behind Guinan's extra-temporal perception senses. We really don't know. Possibly something to do with probability or his brain tapping into multiversal potentialities. That's my story and sticking to it.

I like that.
Maybe it's like Ben Kenobi's Alderaan sense?

 

[flandry84]

I'm an old-school European leftie(proudly).
Hearing Americans (and I seriously mean no personal offence) talking about Hollywood "leaning left" is hilarious.

 

[BillJ]

Maybe it's like Ben Kenobi's Alderaan sense?

You mean Spock's Vulcan sense from "The Immunity Syndrome"?

 

[captainkirk]

Or this one, where the line from the end and nothing else said by Benedict Cumberbatch was actually in the movie.

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Well that narration was presumably recorded specifically for the trailer. The McCoy line that I mentioned, "Jim, you're not actually going after this guy are you?" was and edit of "Jim, you're not actually going down there are you?" What's annoying about Captain Georgiou's line being edited is how obvious it is. Her mouth movements clearly don't match until the end of the line.

 

[RAMA]

I'm an old-school European leftie(proudly).
Hearing Americans (and I seriously mean no personal offence) talking about Hollywood "leaning left" is hilarious.

In America many are considered radicals. Lol

 

[Jayson1]

As for the alien's ability to sense death I wonder if it works anything like that device on the "DS9" ep "RIvals" were it could give you good or bad luck. Not sure how something like that could ever exist even in a universe like Trek.
It's also possible that this reboot will be more open to mystical stuff like this. Might even get a ghost story or a vampire story in the future.

Jason