Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Aide?

[PKTrekGirl]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

That's silly. Star Trek fans -- whatever is left of them -- aren't numerous enough to make this opening any bigger.

We saw what happened when only Star Trek fans showed up, and that was Nemesis. $67,312,826 worldwide for the entire run. Star Trek is about to, if not already, succeed that number and it did it in 3 days and only counting what was made nationwide.

J.

Yep. There we have it.

This movie is not being made by the hard-core fans. In fact, this movie is kicking ass at the box office almost in spite of what has become the stereotypical 'fans'.

This movie is so good that regular, run-of-the mill citizens are turning out in droves to see it, despite the fact that over the years, a goodly number of this franchise's so-called 'fans' have turned us into a laughing stock that very few run-of-the-mill citizens want to be associated with.

As far as I'm concerned? Berman: NOW we are all very pleased.

 

[Nightcreature]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

The old crew did not need to be recast.

Okay... How would you have gone about it then? Since half the TOS crew are, you know, dead... CGI?

The thing is why do you need to recast TOS to begin with? It's not like Batman where the movies were progressively getting worse and worse. It's not like Bond which needs a reboot every decade or so. Why not cast a new crew and a new ship? Why do they need to reboot TOS and mess with something that was already done well? Did Star Trek VI suck? Not really as I thought it was a great Trek movie and fitting sendoff to the TOS crew. That is where it should have ended and there is no point to coming out with a movie like this. It's like Enterprise completely screwing up everything canon by bringining in the Borg and Ferengi. And if this is an "alternate timeline" thing, well ok but that's a poor excuse.

 

[Amaris]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

That's silly. Star Trek fans -- whatever is left of them -- aren't numerous enough to make this opening any bigger.

We saw what happened when only Star Trek fans showed up, and that was Nemesis. $67,312,826 worldwide for the entire run. Star Trek is about to, if not already, succeed that number and it did it in 3 days and only counting what was made nationwide.

J.

Yep. There we have it.

This movie is not being made by the hard-core fans. In fact, this movie is kicking ass at the box office almost in spite of what has become the stereotypical 'fans'.

This movie is so good that regular, run-of-the mill citizens are turning out in droves to see it, despite the fact that over the years, a goodly number of this franchise's so-called 'fans' have turned us into a laughing stock that very few run-of-the-mill citizens want to be associated with.

As far as I'm concerned? Berman: NOW we are all very pleased.

Bingo. Star Trek lives because new people find something in it. Something that gives them hope, something that gives them a thrill.

That's silly. Star Trek fans -- whatever is left of them -- aren't numerous enough to make this opening any bigger.

So, let me get this straight, Wolverine's fanbase had nothing to do with it's higher grosses? Then how do you explain it's success?

The returns on sequel films are completely driven by fan loyalty. That's why the Star Wars films rank as high as they do. We'll see what the fans really think when it comes to second week box office returns. Sinks like a stone, watch the budget numbers and the possibility of a second film get smaller and smaller...

-RAnthony

See the above responses.

Nemesis. Fans only.

Star Trek. Blew the fuck out of Nemesis at the box office, and it's only been a couple days with limited release.

J.

 

[Borgminister]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

I haven't watched the movie and will not spend money on it.

Bootleg?

I don't drink the Kool Aid and I'm proud of it!!! I agree Shatner is Kirk and the crew did not need to be recast. It's an insult to the original series. What's next?? Recasting TNG a few years from now? DS9? Where does it end?

Nah--just TOS, since that was the quintessential series that became so ingrained in pop culture; the others to much less of an extent.

Plus you have the classic interplay between Passion, Logic and Humanism in the big three, boiled down to its simplest essence.

I'm sure reading non canon series like New Frontier would be much more enjoyable than watching this new reboot, recast desperation Trek.

No desperation about it, but New Frontier might make a good television series under Fuller...

Is this origin story really canon??

Yup.

I thought it conflicted with a lot of established Trek???

Established Trek conflicts with established Trek, for crying out loud.

Where is Robert April?

Blown out by the Winds of March.

I think if they came up with a new crew and a new ship, that would have been even better.

Not for wide-scale appeal it wouldn't have been.

Why fix it if it ain't broke?

No, it wasn't broke... it was DEAD, JIM!

And actually, the film enhanced the legend IMO.

The old crew did not need to be recast. They were fine just as they were unlike Batman or Bond.

Actually, they weren't--Father Time was catching up with--in a few cases done caught up with--several of the actors, so if TOS was to be remade, this was the only way to do it.


And boy am I happy it appears to be working.

 

[Nightcreature]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

I haven't watched the movie and will not spend money on it.

I don't drink the Kool Aid and I'm proud of it!!! I agree Shatner is Kirk and the crew did not need to be recast. It's an insult to the original series. What's next?? Recasting TNG a few years from now? DS9? Where does it end?

I'm sure reading non canon series like New Frontier would be much more enjoyable than watching this new reboot, recast desperation Trek. Is this origin story really canon?? I thought it conflicted with a lot of established Trek??? Where is Robert April?

I think if they came up with a new crew and a new ship, that would have been even better. Why fix it if it ain't broke? The old crew did not need to be recast. They were fine just as they were unlike Batman or Bond.

"Yay, I'm not spending money on a movie I don't want to see! Someone tell me how good I am and how rebellious I am!"

Really. It's not a feat. Hell, for your one ticket I'm taking 10 people this week and I'll get to see it 3 more times. So what's your point? The movie is popular and is making serious money. Lots of people like it and are finding great things about it to like. Why should your refusal to see it denote anything other than an unwillingness to open your mind for a brief second and see the possibilities?

Lots of hardcore fans are loving this movie, and it's bringing in lots of new fans. You not seeing it makes no impact, and all it does is let you feel justified about things you don't care to know. Good luck with your 'victory'.

J.

Just because hardcore fans love it and casual fans flock to the theaters doesn't mean I will blindly follow. I'm posting in this topic to support the TC and that I am completely on his side. Who watches it and how much money it makes has no effect on what I do. There are hardily any good movies out anyways so rebooting just means Hollywood is out of ideas, desperate and trying to go back to good stories that worked back in the day.

I'm not open to the idea because I don't like it. That's my right. There are literally tons of Trek books I would rather read and all non canon that I am sure I would find more enjoyable than this movie. And what if they decide to recast the crew of TNG? I mean why not after this movie? Let's starting looking for a Jonathan Frakes lookalike right now cause he is too old for Riker.

 

[RAnthony]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

I am glad that RAnthony's opinion is in the minority here.

...If my opinions are in the minority here, then I would suggest that Trek fandom is well and truly dead.

Gene Roddenberry defined Star Trek. Anything that does not do justice to his established work doesn't deserve to carry that name.

-RAnthony

 

[Brent]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

I am glad that RAnthony's opinion is in the minority here.

...If my opinions are in the minority here, then I would suggest that Trek fandom is well and truly dead.

Gene Roddenberry defined Star Trek. Anything that does not do justice to his established work doesn't deserve to carry that name.

-RAnthony

Perhaps the discontention lies in the fact that most disagree with you on your opinion that this movie doesn't do justice to his established work.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

I am glad that RAnthony's opinion is in the minority here.

Gene Roddenberry defined Star Trek. Anything that does not do justice to his established work doesn't deserve to carry that name.

If I can be so bold: that smells more like hero-worship of Gene Roddenberry then actual love for the Star Trek franchise.

I doubt that if Roddenbery did not come up with Star Trek, that no other man could have done so. Everybody's unique, yes, but not that unique. He defined Star Trek, but it could have just as well been somebody else.

 

[Borgminister]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

I am glad that RAnthony's opinion is in the minority here.

...If my opinions are in the minority here, then I would suggest that Trek fandom is well and truly dead.

Your wing of Trek fandom, perhaps.

The vast majority of Trek fandom is rejoicing at this time.

And picking up thousands of new fans.

Gene Roddenberry defined Star Trek. Anything that does not do justice to his established work doesn't deserve to carry that name.

I agree... Thank God this movie does just that.

 

[RAMA]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

Moral understories are overrated and not as important to "good Star Trek" as people seem to think, especially in the films -- for example, what was TWoK's moral message? What about FC?

Star Trek (especially TOS) is first and foremost a character-driven story, not a plot driven one. There certainly were some allegorical episodes, but even most of those allegories were simply a vehicle that allowed the characters to interact with each other.

I liked it because it was an enjoyable 2 hours at the movies. I though the characters interactions were fun and witty enough that I was sorry when it was over. I didn't need to drink any Kool Aid -- I simply had a good time.

Was it the "best ever!"? -- No, but I still enjoyed it. I would not call it a "bad film".

Its the other way around, TOS was the LEAST character driven series. It was the stories that made it what it was. All the other ST series had more character development. Personally the show that combines the elements best to me is STNG.

RAMA

 

[Bacl]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

You're not alone.

Here's an online review that I think really sums up how I feel:

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsI7Mhu1G94

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1WkVg3v9YQ

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO5uXUcbmPw&feature=related

 

[Brent]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

I am glad that RAnthony's opinion is in the minority here.

...If my opinions are in the minority here, then I would suggest that Trek fandom is well and truly dead.

Your wing of Trek fandom, perhaps.

The vast majority of Trek fandom is rejoicing at this time.

And picking up thousands of new fans.

Indeed, I think this movie proves that Trek fandom isn't dead, indeed it is very ALIVE and bringing in NEW fans into the fold

 

[cyberengland]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

I am glad that RAnthony's opinion is in the minority here.

...If my opinions are in the minority here, then I would suggest that Trek fandom is well and truly dead.

Gene Roddenberry defined Star Trek. Anything that does not do justice to his established work doesn't deserve to carry that name.

-RAnthony

Well, guess what. Trek fandom is Alive and Well. Not only that, but this new movie has created new Star Trek fans, and has breathed life into a franchise that was already dead, if not in a severe coma. And I am sorry, but maybe you did not hear that Majel Roddenberry also contributed to and approved of JJ Abrams movie. If she liked this movie, then I can be confident that Gene would have liked it also; especially since this movie has resurrect what was once dead, or at least in a severe coma.

 

[RAMA]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

I am glad that RAnthony's opinion is in the minority here.

...If my opinions are in the minority here, then I would suggest that Trek fandom is well and truly dead.

Gene Roddenberry defined Star Trek. Anything that does not do justice to his established work doesn't deserve to carry that name.

-RAnthony

If anything it was Roddenberry who suggested in interviews that he would be happy if someone came along after he was dead and created a new and better ST.

RAMA

 

[Brent]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

Let me ask something RAnthony, would you be saying the same things you have said here to a brand new fan of the franchise?

Would you tell this NEW fan that "Trek fandom is well and truly dead"?

This new fan that became a fan because of this new movie?

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

And I am sorry, but maybe you did not hear that Majel Roddenberry also contributed to and approved of JJ Abrams movie. If she liked this movie, then I can be confident that Gene would have liked it also; especially since this movie has resurrect what was once dead, or at least in a severe coma.

Hmm. She also approved (was a producer) of Andromeda, right? Look how that turned out.

 

[Amaris]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

Just because hardcore fans love it and casual fans flock to the theaters doesn't mean I will blindly follow. I'm posting in this topic to support the TC and that I am completely on his side. Who watches it and how much money it makes has no effect on what I do. There are hardily any good movies out anyways so rebooting just means Hollywood is out of ideas, desperate and trying to go back to good stories that worked back in the day.

I'm not saying you should. I'm saying, quite frankly, that I don't give a fuck that you've decided to boycott the movie in your own little way, beyond the hilarity that you think it somehow matters.

I'm not open to the idea because I don't like it. That's my right. There are literally tons of Trek books I would rather read and all non canon that I am sure I would find more enjoyable than this movie. And what if they decide to recast the crew of TNG? I mean why not after this movie? Let's starting looking for a Jonathan Frakes lookalike right now cause he is too old for Riker.

Yes, it's your right to hate the movie. Yes, it's your right to run around screaming and crying in rage about how much of this film is an injustice. Just don't expect much in the way of agreement beyond a few more diehards who have decided to be stubborn, because no one cares beyond an interesting car wreck.

J.

 

[cyberengland]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

And I am sorry, but maybe you did not hear that Majel Roddenberry also contributed to and approved of JJ Abrams movie. If she liked this movie, then I can be confident that Gene would have liked it also; especially since this movie has resurrect what was once dead, or at least in a severe coma.

Hmm. She also approved (was a producer) of Andromeda, right? Look how that turned out.

I liked Andromeda. I thought it was pretty good. Not great, and far from perfect, but overall, I thought that Andromeda was good science fiction, and done well.

 

[Brent]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

And I am sorry, but maybe you did not hear that Majel Roddenberry also contributed to and approved of JJ Abrams movie. If she liked this movie, then I can be confident that Gene would have liked it also; especially since this movie has resurrect what was once dead, or at least in a severe coma.

Hmm. She also approved (was a producer) of Andromeda, right? Look how that turned out.

I liked Andromeda. I thought it was pretty good. Not great, and far from perfect, but overall, I thought that Andromeda was good science fiction, and done well.

We'll just pretend those last few seasons didn't happen

 

[Nightcreature]

Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

Borgminister, so where does it end? Recast TNG? Recast DS9? Now they've opened the door to make up anything they want. They could turn Spock into a woman in the next movie. I just read Vulcan gets blown up in this movie?? What??? How about bringing in the Borg like they did on Enterprise? That would certainly bring in money and people to the theater.