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Code Of Honor: What Do You Think?

Code Of Honor: What Do You Think?


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With due respect to everyone involved, I never understood the hatred for this episode. People say its a racist story, but I disagree, and here's why: At different times in our history, there have actually been periods where individuals of every color and background have been fiercely tribal, territorial, and short-tempered. I think one possible reason for the misunderstanding is that such an episode goes against Gene Roddenberry's "perfect people" philosophy. The Enterprise crew's treatment of the Klingons in "Star Trek VI" was handled in a very similar way.

Also, another small note on this: it seems to me that a big reason why several of the "TNG" cast members remain so horrified and embarrassed by this episode, is because the tribal characters depicted were black. But if they had done the story with those same roles being played by white actors, the same charge of racism would've likely been hurled toward them. So its one of those "you're screwed either way" situations. I've personally seen much more blatantly racist stuff on TV compared to "Code of Honor", and so 37 years later, I think its way past time to cut the episode some slack. What are your opinions?
 
It's not a racist story, any more than Justice is, however, in both cases some pretty awful production choices were made that gave a rather racially insensitive result

It is however an altogether awful episode for a number of reasons, not the least of which is poor execution, that has the "backwards" people be sexist, and for some reason we're letting a vaccine be the reason we go along with it, only to turn the tables in the end, but not very interestingly IMHO.
 
It's not a racist story, any more than Justice is, however, in both cases some pretty awful production choices were made that gave a rather racially insensitive result

It is however an altogether awful episode for a number of reasons, not the least of which is poor execution, that has the "backwards" people be sexist, and for some reason we're letting a vaccine be the reason we go along with it, only to turn the tables in the end, but not very interestingly IMHO.

Well, I was reading up on the episode a little more last night, after posting this thread, and I learned that unlike most of the cast, Wil Wheaton and Rod Roddenberry both have a slightly more positive view of it. Wil said many years later, "(its) not as overtly racist as I recalled. I mean, it's certainly not as racist as 'Angel One' is sexist, and if the Ligonians hadn't been arbitrarily determined to be entirely African American, it wouldn't have even been an issue." As for Rod, his view was, "Code of Honor' is the one that people say is the most racist, but I just didn't see it. Is it the best episode ever? No. But did I enjoy the episode? Sure. I just saw them as people on a planet that happened to be of dark skin that evolved in this certain way."
 
^ Right. It's only racist in that same way Justice is. Casting all black people to play characters that are stereotypes of tribalistic & backwards (sexist, petty & violent) is about as thoughtlessly insensitive as casting the idyllic utopian people in Justice as all blonde, blue-eyed, innocent, pretty white people. It's bad production choices.
 
^ Right. It's only racist in that same way Justice is. Casting all black people to play characters that are stereotypes of tribalistic & backwards (sexist, petty & violent) is about as thoughtlessly insensitive as casting the idyllic utopian people in Justice as all blonde, blue-eyed, innocent, pretty white people. It's bad production choices.
Well, I have a completely different problem with "Justice", but that's for a different time, and method of communication.
 
As has been alluded to in some responses: It isn’t so much the story of the episode that’s racist, it’s the choice of casting only black actors to portray an “exotic” and “tribal” species that’s rather unfortunate. I mean, what was the process that led to this? “What distinguishing feature can we give these aliens? Make them lizard people or maybe put something on their foreheads?” — “Nah, let’s just make them all black, that’s alien enough.” Could you possibly “other”or “exotify” them any more?

Also, the fact that Lutan kidnaps Yar plays into the ugly racist trope and caricature of the “animalistic, savage” black man coming to “steal the white woman”, which has a rather ugly history of being used as the justification for lynchings and slavery.

So at best they didn’t think this through when they made the casting decision or at worst it was done on purpose because someone believed there was truth in these racist stereotypes.

It should also be pointed out that even if the casting wasn’t so offensive, the episode is just a massive fucking bore.
 
It's what you might call unintentional racist but racist it is. But it was trying to be progressive much in the way we would look at the movie "Black Panther" today. Problem though is even a attempt to be progressive can backfire if the people making it have some dated ideas on what being progressive should look like and don't notice problematic themes as being problematic. I

Still I will say one thing. It is not the most boring TNG episode. Plus the episode is kind of fun to watch if you want to watch it just to mock it in a Mystery Science Theater 3000 kind of way.
 
It's what you might call unintentional racist but racist it is. But it was trying to be progressive much in the way we would look at the movie "Black Panther" today. Problem though is even a attempt to be progressive can backfire if the people making it have some dated ideas on what being progressive should look like and don't notice problematic themes as being problematic. I

Still I will say one thing. It is not the most boring TNG episode. Plus the episode is kind of fun to watch if you want to watch it just to mock it in a Mystery Science Theater 3000 kind of way.

Whenever I hear someone say, "that's racist", I think of actions being done or words said out of hatred. When ignorance is involved, I think mercy should be applied. And it certainly doesn't help that several people who cry foul over this sort of thing, also make it very clear that they still want to be treated differently in various ways. I just don't get that; you either believe in peaceful co-existence, or you don't...and if the latter is true, at least be honest about it.
 
Whenever I hear someone say, "that's racist", I think of actions being done or words said out of hatred. When ignorance is involved, I think mercy should be applied. And it certainly doesn't help that several people who cry foul over this sort of thing, also make it very clear that they still want to be treated differently in various ways. I just don't get that; you either believe in peaceful co-existence, or you don't...and if the latter is true, at least be honest about it.

I think that is the difference between racism and bigotry. Racism doesn't have to come from a place of hate. It can come from not understanding something or even a disagreement on whether something is racist or not. Bigotry on the other hand is someone being racist and using that racism to mistreat people who are different from them.
 
I think that is the difference between racism and bigotry. Racism doesn't have to come from a place of hate. It can come from not understanding something or even a disagreement on whether something is racist or not. Bigotry on the other hand is someone being racist and using that racism to mistreat people who are different from them.
We're all different from each other, in one way or another. Trying to create a utopian society where everyone dresses, eats, looks, thinks, and acts the same is completely unreasonable...not to mention impossible. There's no inherent problems with different people or groups being distinct and separate; what causes trouble is when selfish people use those differences as an excuse, to harm their fellow man physically, mentally, emotionally, or even spiritually. Justice is not a blanket concept, that can automatically be applied to everyone the same way. It has to be done on a case-by-case basis, with patience and understanding.
 
As has been stated by others, "Code of Honor" is racist primarily due to its casting choices. It should be noted that the Ligonians were originally supposed to be asian... there's a hint of this with the gift Picard gives Lutan in the Conference Room.

(It should also be noted that Katharyn M. Powers, the writer of this episode, wrote a very similar one for STARGATE SG-1 called "EMANCIPATION". Coincidentally, both episodes are the second produced episodes after their pilots. "EMANCIPATION" had an asian society... that episode was pretty bad, too. The worst of that first season, and a strong contender for worst of the series.)

But is "Code of Honor" the worst of TNG? No. Definitely bottom tier, but not even bottom 5 episodes. There are several things that are good about this episode... the Data and Geordi shaving scene, the fight in the arena, Jessie Lawrence Ferguson's performance. The plot isn't even as bad as other TNG episodes. (Beverly having ghost sex? Making warp drive bad for the galaxy, while we see Data training Spot? Picard having a 'son' because Bok altered a guy's dna?)
 
I actually liked those bottom 3 episodes. I think my top 5 worst TNG episodes would be

1 Shades of Grey
2 Emergence
3 Angel One
4 Imaginary Friend
5 Journey's End.

In reality the only two though I really,really dislike on almost all levels is Shades of Grey and Emergence.
 
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