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Spoilers Coda: Book 3: Oblivion's Gate by David Mack Review Thread
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The prologue was “The Second Splinter”, so perhaps it was the most stable offshoot of the First Splinter and the universe that was immediately destroyed before The First Splinter.
*groan* No disrespect, Christopher, but I find it incredibly rude and off -putting when authors like you say this in regards to any franchise, and you've said it multiple times in the past.
Yes, canon is only what's been depicted on screen, but when a sprawling expanded universe is built in prose and then suddenly overwritten by new screen material, the literary counterparts of necessity have to be separated from the canon counterparts in the Wiki. Captain Picard has no children in the Prime Universe, but Sisko's child does exist and Riker has two children. So Rebecca Sisko and Natasha Riker-Troi's pages should be altered to indicate that they only exist in the First Splinter timeline and separate pages should be created for Thad and Kestra Riker and Sisko's child in the Prime Timeline. That's all I was saying - NOT debating on canon or anything. You're the only who chose to see a mountain where there's only a molehill. Good day.
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Yep, that's taken from the original mirage comics.
I made it 80% of the way through keeping my emotions in check, but the end of the Troi-Riker family broke me. Badly.
This book is/was a masterpiece, on par with Michael Ends' The Never Ending Story as far as making me question my own perception of reality.
I'm finding myself experiencing a lot of the same emotions I felt after my mother died, a sense of unquenchable loss for people I will never be in contact with again, and pained joy from memories of what was (and still is).
The author even repeated the same mantra I started using after my mother passed away, that the events of the past are still happening then, even if they aren't happening now.
The past is no less real for not being now.
I said goodbye today to these characters and reality I have followed for nearly two decades, but somewhere/somewhen, I am still sitting in a bookstore reading and trying not to cry over the birth of Tasha.
This book is/was a masterpiece, on par with Michael Ends' The Never Ending Story as far as making me question my own perception of reality.
I'm finding myself experiencing a lot of the same emotions I felt after my mother died, a sense of unquenchable loss for people I will never be in contact with again, and pained joy from memories of what was (and still is).
The author even repeated the same mantra I started using after my mother passed away, that the events of the past are still happening then, even if they aren't happening now.
The past is no less real for not being now.
I said goodbye today to these characters and reality I have followed for nearly two decades, but somewhere/somewhen, I am still sitting in a bookstore reading and trying not to cry over the birth of Tasha.
Incredibly well put, Vesati. I'm about to finish Part 1 and am enjoying the journey thus far. Your words above speak to my investment in these twenty years. I don't play computer games, but the Trek Lit-verse has been my preferred alternate, and in the last several years even preferred, reality.
We've already started. but yes
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Is "Desperate Hours", because of the massive discrepancies to Season 2 of Discovery, now a part of the First Splinter Timeline?
Is "Desperate Hours", because of the massive discrepancies to Season 2 of Discovery, now a part of the First Splinter Timeline?
I really liked the 'montage' at the end of the different Picards.
The PoD was 2373, so I don't think so. Desperate Hours's discrepancies is just normal tie-in issues of a concurrently running series.
The PoD was 2373, so I don't think so. Desperate Hours's discrepancies is just normal tie-in issues of a concurrently running series.
It was (somewhat implausibly) made to fit with DSC season 2 in "The Enterprise War," with Spock thinking about how his fence-mending with Michael didn't end up taking and already felt like the mission has been years and years earlier.
Think with all the timey whimey stuff going on all the time in Star Trek and that part of the reason of the split were the events in 2063, it would make some sense.
The Borg fired the weapon in 2373, not in 2063. The split happened in 2373.
since the First Splinter timeline might have also had its own Braxton(s) from the 29th century (or lack of Braxtons from its not-going-to happen-29th-century) one could make the case that the splinter got considerably more.. uh.. splintered.. if Braxton didn't meddle with New Frontier during the Dominion War and especially that this might cause some changes retroactively to the 1990s of.. oh now i have a headache
You know, in Watching the Clock, I established that no "erased" timeline actually vanishes until the point when it catches up with the time-travel event that erased it. After all, if there are two or more versions of the same moment in time, then by definition they all coexist simultaneously. The idea that you can go back and unmake a moment -- that a single moment can be later than itself -- is a contradiction in terms. So if, say, you go back in time in 2267 and make a change in 1930 that creates an altered timeline, that timeline doesn't "overwrite" the original from that point on; rather, the original and altered timelines coexist simultaneously between 1930 and 2267 (since, after all, the original and altered versions of, say, 1945 both happen in 1945 and are thus concurrent by definition), and it's only when you reach the moment in 2267 that the time travel occurs that the original timeline undergoes quantum collapse, leaving the altered one to go forward from there (which is why Kirk in "City on the Edge" and Picard in FC could see the timeline changing around them the moment the time travel happened). All the events in the replaced timeline still happened, and are still part of the overall tapestry of the multiverse; they just aren't remembered going forward. That's the only interpretation that's logically and physically consistent. Call it the corollary of the First Law of Metaphysics: If something exists, it's real. It can't both exist and not exist. So no event that's occurred can actually be retroactively undone. That's an illusion. It can only be forgotten after the point in the future when its timeline comes to an end. But until that moment is reached, the timeline exists, alongside all the others existing in that same present.
Also: I established in my various DTI installments that the novelverse timeline continues forward to at least the 3050s, since the actions of Jena Noi and her fellow Temporal Agents are influenced by past events that happened in the novelverse, notably the Borg Invasion. Indeed, The Collectors includes portions that take place around the year 21,436,000 CE. So by the temporal logic of DTI, despite what appeared to happen from the perspective of the characters in Coda, some version of the First Splinter must continue to exist that far into the future, just on a parallel track from the altered history created in the trilogy.
Of course, it's pretty clear to me that Dayton, Jim, and Dave weren't bothering to stay consistent with DTI's temporal model (or indeed with the novellas' continuity regarding Agent Ranjea), so that's probably not what they had in mind. But it could bring readers some comfort if they want to believe there's still a version of events where all the novelverse characters get to live out their lives.
Also: I established in my various DTI installments that the novelverse timeline continues forward to at least the 3050s, since the actions of Jena Noi and her fellow Temporal Agents are influenced by past events that happened in the novelverse, notably the Borg Invasion. Indeed, The Collectors includes portions that take place around the year 21,436,000 CE. So by the temporal logic of DTI, despite what appeared to happen from the perspective of the characters in Coda, some version of the First Splinter must continue to exist that far into the future, just on a parallel track from the altered history created in the trilogy.
Of course, it's pretty clear to me that Dayton, Jim, and Dave weren't bothering to stay consistent with DTI's temporal model (or indeed with the novellas' continuity regarding Agent Ranjea), so that's probably not what they had in mind. But it could bring readers some comfort if they want to believe there's still a version of events where all the novelverse characters get to live out their lives.
You know, that's fair. 2373 is just when the event that caused its splintering happened.
I do like that even though they were ending the novel'verse, the 3 books still snuck in references to the newer series. Spock recalls the events of DSC Season 2, the California class shows up. There's probably more I'm just blanking on.
Well there was a ship named Ni'var in Enterprise and the word is even older than that, but considering its more recent use in Discovery, it probably was probably fresh on the mind and probably a nod to Season 3.
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