Clearing Up the Timelines

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Squiggy, May 16, 2009.

  1. Squiggy

    Squiggy FrozenToad Admiral

    Jul 5, 2006
    Left Bank
    All the "Prime Jumps" are blue because results of those jumps were seemingly reversed by the end of the episode.
  2. Dac

    Dac Commodore Commodore

    Aug 9, 2005
    The Essex wastes...

    No no no no no, the Quantum Doohicky theory states that if you jumped to the future again you could ONLY jump back to your original timeline. You could only observe the effects of the new timeline if you remained there. Hence, there are only 3 main timelines (Star Trek TOS Through Nemesis, First Contact - Enterprise and the Nero Timeline).
  3. erebus

    erebus Commander

    Aug 25, 2007
    profile pending deletion request 28/5/2009
    whats stopping the timeline from going perpendicularly into the chart, so missing everthing that we ever knew about?

    Helm, Z minus 10000 metres; stand by photon torpedoes!
  4. USS Fardell

    USS Fardell Captain Captain

    Jul 26, 2001
    Interesting charts
  5. Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Dec 26, 2002
    California, Earth, Sector 001
    Let's not forget the original timeline in "Twilight," where Earth was destroyed by an alien death ray, and the last human survivors settled on Ceti Alpha Five.

    That had certain echoes of this new movie. Ceti Alpha Five seems like a swell spot for a new Vulcan colony (but Ambassador Spock probably crossed that off the list, knowing what will happen there 10 years from now).
  6. qstor

    qstor Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Feb 20, 2003
    We don't know that. Abrams might go with ridge headed Klingons in his version of the universe AND chose to ignore Andorians as a race.

  7. CaptainJon

    CaptainJon Captain Captain

    Feb 13, 2007
    Second Star to the Right
    OMG, so much of that becomes such a mess! I think the original posted diagram was fine! But the rest? Holy crap, I hate time travel!

    THE CHEBB Captain Captain

    Dec 23, 2003
    Okinawa, Japan
    Oy Vey...can we time travel to the post before this got all jingily jangily wibbley wobbley time wimey fracked up.....:wtf:
  9. Tuvok

    Tuvok Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Jun 4, 2009
    Oh this is going to hurt.

    First contact is altered because Future Picard may or may not exist due to events in Star Trek XI.

    Altered Timeline, following the more agressive ships. Possible response to the extinction of Vulcan and almost Extinction of the human race.

    Due to altered Timeline the events leading to Q sending Picard to meet the Borg may no longer apply.

    Picard does not meet the Borg, the Borg do not attempt to invade the Federation. Nor do they attempt to change the past because we haven't met.

    Second Alternative, Federation take a more Guns out of holsters deal after Vulcan extinction and multiple scans of the Romulan\Borg hyprid.

    When they do meet the Borg, Borg get creamed in any case the DO NOT go back in time altering First Contact.

    Also altered would be Archers Enterprise. His Enterprise was influenced by the Temporal War. The rescue of Kaang in the Pilot was made possible by Temporal altering of the established past.

    However the Temporal war no longer comes into play because the Nerada erased that Future. No Temporal War and who knows how that effects Archers Enterprise. The Suliban, Klingons even the Sphere Builders.

    But thats ok.

    While Archers Enterprise in NuTrek my no longer be in effect, it will still exist in Universe A.

    Pause...were going to need a bigger chart.

    And some asprian.
  10. dru

    dru Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jul 10, 2001
    Rigel IV
    Maybe I'm getting it wrong or everyone else is... is this rather NOT a "new timeline" but instead an alternate/parallel universe?
  11. Skywalker

    Skywalker Admiral Admiral

    Feb 24, 2005
    It's an alternate reality. They even say so in the movie.
  12. Captrek

    Captrek Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 24, 2009
    OK, how about this model. They didn’t travel through time at all, they just traveled to an alternate reality, and in the alternate reality, it’s about a hundred years earlier. So if they do any more traveling between the two universes, Pine and Quinto and their crew can come face to face with Stewart and his. Heh heh. :evil: :evil:
  13. Opal1

    Opal1 Ensign Red Shirt

    May 21, 2009
    Huh *scratches head*
    I always thought an altrnative reality means that both (ore more) realities exist next to each other without influencing each other.
    (Each decision we make influences or even alters our reality to a certain point so there could be millions of realities next to each other)

    So I would guess the "old" timeline remains unchanged next to the "new" STXI timeline... (at least as long as nuKirk doesn't visit someone in the other universe :rommie:)

    Yeah, Aspirin is a good idea :lol:
  14. FabiusMaximus

    FabiusMaximus Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Nov 11, 2007
    The future, it seems, is wide open.....
  15. elric428

    elric428 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Mar 22, 2006
    I just wanna know. Did the Eugenics Wars happen in the 1990's? Was Voyager 6 launched by NASA in the late 1990's? Why are these events not in the todays history books? What universe do we live in?
  16. elric428

    elric428 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Mar 22, 2006
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  17. Newski

    Newski Captain Captain

    Aug 21, 2006
    Here's my version. More or less the same, but more adorable.[​IMG]

  18. trampledamage

    trampledamage Clone Moderator

    Sep 11, 2005
    hitching a ride to Erebor
    Aww... that's cute, Newski! Just what the timeline needed :)
  19. elric428

    elric428 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Mar 22, 2006
    Yet another version from Cryptic's forthcoming Star Trek Online game.

    [Hotlinked and oversize image converted to link. (Anthony gets pissed when people steal his bandwidth.) Images posted inline must be hosted on your own webspace. - M']
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  20. NileQT87

    NileQT87 Commander Red Shirt

    Jun 5, 2009
    San Diego, CA, USA
    Okay, I'm well-versed in alternate universes. I have been acquainted with a few fantasy franchises that are a bit obsessed with alternate dimensions/realities that aren't necessarily going at the same rates of time (the dimensional theory put forth by Buffy/Angel is a place to start).

    This is really easy.

    We have two kinds of traveling going on here.

    All episodes where characters go back in the past within the same universe are the Grandfather Paradox-style time travel (Back to the Future).

    All episodes where characters meet alternate reality versions of themselves, those alternate versions are living out equal lives in an other universe. This is based on the Many-Worlds interpretation of Quantum/String theory. |

    With me so far?

    Parallel universes do not necessarily run concurrently to each other. The Mirrorverse is concurrent with the Primeverse. However, the Abramsverse is 154 years behind when Nero enters it and only 129 years behind when Spock Prime enters it in what he perceives to be only SECONDS later (a few seconds in the Primeverse is the equivalent of 25 years in the Abramsverse).

    To take this further... This Many-Worlds interpretation means that there are an infinite number of universes that might be equal or just slightly different from others all running at either the same or different speeds. Years or centuries in one dimension might be seconds in another.

    You are confusing in-universe time travel episodes with alternate dimensions. Star Trek contains both. The Voyage Home is in-universe time travel within the same dimension. Mirror, Mirror or Parallels are examples where alternate dimensions are supported. Star Trek '09 is the latter, but in a universe that is not concurrently running at the same speed.

    I also disagree with Paramount's version. The break in the timeline is not time travel back in time before the entry into the alternate dimension. We have support already that the dimension runs at a different rate of speed (Nero and Spock's entry times). The break is at 2387 which leads to 2233 for Nero and 2258 for Spock.
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