Turning the Federation's most advanced outpost into a 16km wide speaker has to be the craziest thing in the franchise yet and I love it.
Spoilers "Classical Music"
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Turning the Federation's most advanced outpost into a 16km wide speaker has to be the craziest thing in the franchise yet and I love it.
As the Beastie Boys once said, you gotta fight for your right to paaaarty.
I hope this doesn't sound like douchey name-dropping, but I went to college, briefly, with one of the Beastie Boys, so this all added a funny layer for me, knowing, at least way back, these geeky boys were geeky boys. And I probably clapped a little too loud, during that scene, thinking, "Mike, you fucking saved the universe!"
I loved it.
I loved it.
Technically, a great deal of the music that gets played on classical music radio stations and gets categorized into the classical section in record stores is not actually of the classical period/place. It would be nice if somebody had come up with a different colloquial term to encompass music of this nature from various eras, but I think it's too late for that.
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And what a moment! I clapped during the launch of the Phoenix and I clapped during the Beastie Boys scene. When recognizable fist pumping rock is used well for a futuristic action scene, you can't help but cheer.
Edit: Also, just for curiosity's sake, I compared the years for both scenes:
Difference between Magic Carpet Ride (1968) and First Contact (1996): 28 years
Difference between Sabotage (1994) and Beyond (2016): 22 years
I think it's safe to say that we'll be hearing today's music in a major Star Trek movie scene in 20+ years from now
Turning the Federation's most advanced outpost into a 16km wide speaker has to be the craziest thing in the franchise yet and I love it.
And this is a franchise that has given us a talking White Rabbit and a giant glowing hand.
I'm picturing a montage around 2034 or so of Starfleet officers defeating the Borg to the tune of Taylor Swift's Shake it Off.I think it's safe to say that we'll be hearing today's music in a major Star Trek movie scene in 20+ years from now
Shut up and take my money!
As a classically-trained concert pianist and composer (with requisite tertiary qualifications from a Good music institution) I have no problems with the term "classical" in this film. We generally use the term "Art Music" nowadays, but most classical music was essentially folk music (the popular music of its day) - so anything that stands the test of time would have to be considered classic or classical.
Since I've now weighed into this issue, we can declare the discussion closed.
Since I've now weighed into this issue, we can declare the discussion closed.
Nah, the Beasties tune is behind the times from today. The song of choice in your scenario will probably be "Are You Going To Be My Girl?"
I thought it was funny. Lighten up buttercups.
And what a moment! I clapped during the launch of the Phoenix and I clapped during the Beastie Boys scene. When recognizable fist pumping rock is used well for a futuristic action scene, you can't help but cheer.
Edit: Also, just for curiosity's sake, I compared the years for both scenes:
Difference between Magic Carpet Ride (1968) and First Contact (1996): 28 years
Difference between Sabotage (1994) and Beyond (2016): 22 years
I think it's safe to say that we'll be hearing today's music in a major Star Trek movie scene in 20+ years from now
Yeah, people may complain about the Rihanna song being too nouveau for their tastes or whatever, fine, but "Sabotage" is directly contemporary with the end of TNG; in 2016, it's arguably "traditional".
Yes and no. I don't know when the more generic use of the term began, but it's been around for a long time. Most musicians, critics and fans use "classical" in its more general sense. Everyone knows what they mean.
At the time of its release, Disney's Fantasia was called "a successful experiment to lift the relationship from the plane of popular, mass entertainment to the higher strata of appeal to lovers of classical music." By your definition, there's no actual classical music in Fantasia, unless you include Beethoven (who was of course the first of the Romantics).
He was channelling Alex from A Clockwork Orange.
Ninja'd by Nerys Myk.
I'm not sure why you felt the need to even point this out considering I did mention the vague colloquial meaning of the term "classical music".
Compared to its use as a technical term in music history.
It's like you stopped reading my post after the first paragraph which feels kinda bizarre?
Oh, I read the whole thing. Insisting that no-one who knows their stuff would use "classical music" to refer to anything other than music from 1777 to 1825 (or whatever dates are chosen) is both patronising and wrong. Textbooks and critics have employed the "vague colloquial meaning" of "classical music" in an authorative way for decades. The very first issue of Gramophone magazine (1923) used the word "classical" in this supposedly redundant sense.
Instead of arguing that the Beastie Boys couldn't be called classical music because they didn't live in the time of powdered wigs, it would be better to point out that classical music is generally held to be composed by a single person, using a high degree of theoretical musical knowledge, and transcribed so as to be performable by other musicians.
You are seeing condescension where there was none.
And this is a franchise that has given us a talking White Rabbit and a giant glowing hand.
I wonder what an open air concert on Yorktown at night would look like. Fireworks would be a bit dangerous with that strange gravity.
