Class series one discussion thread (spoilers)
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What connection? The only mention to the Weeping Angels in TEOT was when Rassilon made the two dissenting voters stand in his vanguard "like the Weeping Angels of old" which as we saw meant they had to stand there with their hands over their face, a "weeping" pose. The only thing this means is that the Time Lords knew about the Weeping Angels, which is hardly a ground-breaking revelation. The Doctor knew quite a bit about them in Blink and recently in Hell Bent we see a Weeping Angel imprisoned in the Matrix-interface or whatever that was on Gallifrey.
I was wondering what the significance of that was
In the Five Doctors, Borusa was turned to stone by Rassilon.
Oh, we have a BBC One airdate- Monday 9th January, at 22:45. (yes, you read that time right!)
I've been meaning to check in and gauge people's thoughts on this show. I haven't watched at all because the premise and trailer didn't excite me at all. What are people's feelings about the show?
Wow, that doesn't bold well.
Everything sucks except for the character Miss Quill. As for episodes, Episode 1 is only worth it for Capaldi, episode 3 is less objectionable than most, and episode 7, a Quill centred episode, is surprisingly good.
They have to keep all this sex and violence out of the hands of childen.
Or at least the children too dumb to know how to program their family DVR.
I think they're going with the view that the target audience will have watched it on BBC Three iplayer, and us old farts who might tune in are going to be used to genre shows being buried in a graveyard slot where normal people won't be watching...
Which was everyone's general impression from the get go (aside from the quality of individual episodes). Sounds like I made the right choice to not bother.
Except it wasn't an either or situation. The delay in Doctor Who was a combination of Peter Capaldi's knee injury (I think it was his knee) and BBC strong arming Moffat to stay another season and he focused on series 4 of Sherlock first. Class is completely different production team.
I heard much the same - with different reasons for the DW delay though ...
- BBC, and Moffatt, wanted Moffat to hang up his hat last year. However ...
- The only person who would agree to take on the show full-time was Chibnall, who wouldn't be free to start development until 2017 due to Broadchurch Season 3, and therefore leaving the BBC with the possibility of a two year production gap.
- Nobody would agree to come onboard as 'caretaker showrunners' for a year or two. BBC went back to Moffatt and they agreed he would do one more final season for airing in 2017, with a production gap, before being replaced by Chibnall for 2018.
- Still, the BBC reportedly attempted to get a 'caretaker showrunner' for a single season (or even a series of one-off specials for a Gap Year like 2009, this could even be where the strong Peter Jackson rumour came from) but nobody would agree.
- The fact that they could tie Class into DW and frame it as a 'replacement' for the fans was pure coincidence.
- The only person who would agree to take on the show full-time was Chibnall, who wouldn't be free to start development until 2017 due to Broadchurch Season 3, and therefore leaving the BBC with the possibility of a two year production gap.
- Nobody would agree to come onboard as 'caretaker showrunners' for a year or two. BBC went back to Moffatt and they agreed he would do one more final season for airing in 2017, with a production gap, before being replaced by Chibnall for 2018.
- Still, the BBC reportedly attempted to get a 'caretaker showrunner' for a single season (or even a series of one-off specials for a Gap Year like 2009, this could even be where the strong Peter Jackson rumour came from) but nobody would agree.
- The fact that they could tie Class into DW and frame it as a 'replacement' for the fans was pure coincidence.
A good assessment though I would add the last 5 minutes if episode 8 as a genuine WTF/didn't see that coming shocker.
The "caretaker showrunner" the BBC approached, as I understand it, was Toby Whithouse.
I'm surprised there was such sturm und drang over replacing a producer. Hollywood replaces producers the way most people change socks. So either the BBC had a small pool of people they considered (in which case, they undoubtedly hamstrung themselves now and are likely to in the future) or the working conditions offered (pay and expectations) were so onerous that the BBC effectively made it a job no one wanted (again, which will hamstring them in the future).
^^Remember, BBC seems very wary of changing showrunners for Doctor Who. When RTD announced his intent to step down, they tried to keep him by essentially backing a truck full of cash to his doorstep. When he still said no, they considered ending the show.
And the showrunner model still isn't standard over here.
Once again, it shows how much little regard the BBC has for the show. They did it with Day of the Doctor, when they halved the budget in half and forced Moffat to rewrite his 90 minute treatment into a 75 minute one, complete with a 3D component that the Beeb actually abandoned even before the show was out. Clear and utter disdain for why the show even continues to exist.
Geez.
Geez.
People always assume these decisions are arbitrary and petty, like networks had infinite money to spend and were just acting out of personal nastiness. That's oversimplistic at best. Any single show on a network is just one of many. The executives have a finite amount of resources and time slots that they have to allocate among all those different shows, weighing their needs against each other and trying to find the best compromise among all the competing factors. It's a very complicated decision-making process and it means that no single show can have absolute carte blanche. So it really doesn't make sense for laypeople to assume that the only possible reason a show gets less-than-ideal budgeting or scheduling or whatever is because the executives are being mean to it.
I mean, what else was going on that year that the BBC halved the budget for "The Day of the Doctor?" How did their other shows fare at the same time? How well was the network doing as a whole that year? Had there been a cutback in their government funding or license fees or whatever? Was it just Doctor Who that felt the bite, or the whole lineup? These shows do not exist in a vacuum.
Yes.
Not sure when, but a few years ago, less than 5 years, the Beeb shat the bed.
Everything had their budget cut or cancelled.
Just because Who was still making a profit, that didn't save it from a unilateral change with how the BBC understood money.
This might be it?
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-15165926
Not sure when, but a few years ago, less than 5 years, the Beeb shat the bed.
Everything had their budget cut or cancelled.
Just because Who was still making a profit, that didn't save it from a unilateral change with how the BBC understood money.
This might be it?
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-15165926
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