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Is that really the title?
Is that really the title?
Chris Nolan is prepping Batman 3 and will mentor a new Superman film
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Absolutely. It's one of my favorite Nolan films.
Absolutely. It's one of my favorite Nolan films.
Re: Chris Nolan is prepping Batman 3 and will mentor a new Superman fi
Instead of creating a new thread I thought I would resurrect this one. Anyway, Christopher Nolan finally talks about the rumors of him spearheading a new Superman film and he finally comments on his plans for Batman 3.
On spearheading Superman:
What the article more or less confirms:
Instead of creating a new thread I thought I would resurrect this one. Anyway, Christopher Nolan finally talks about the rumors of him spearheading a new Superman film and he finally comments on his plans for Batman 3.
On spearheading Superman:
Nolan also commented on the planned third Batman installment. He said that he and Goyer reached an impasse on creating the story, but eventually passed it:
Nolan comments more about his ideas for Superman and his take on the proposed Justice League movie at this link.
What the article more or less confirms:
- Nolan is in fact spearheading a reboot of Superman based on a pitch by David Goyer, who is in fact writing the screenplay. The notion came from Goyer and Nolan reaching an impasse on developing the story for Batman 3, where Goyer daydreamed and pitched Nolan his take on the Man of Steel. Nolan loved it, and took it to the studio.
- Nolan is more or less directing Batman 3. As mentioned before, he reached an impasse with Goyer but apparently they moved past that. Jonathan Nolan is currently writing the script.
- Nolan won't direct the Superman film, which will be a reboot, but will in fact produce it.
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Then there's this:
I did appreciate Chris Nolan's admiration for Bryan Singer's Superman Returns.
That LA Times article could have been better edited:
That's all one sentence, and it confuses Reeve and Reeves.
Then there's this:
I didn't know that David Goyer was Jonathan's other brother.
I did appreciate Chris Nolan's admiration for Bryan Singer's Superman Returns.
Re: Chris Nolan is prepping Batman 3 and will mentor a new Superman fi
Nolan's shown excellent craftsmanship in the past, though the Superman character is a bit outside his usual storytelling style. Overall I'll say it's encouraging.
Also of note, he shoots down the idea that there's a JLA film coming, at least using characters from solo films, since this Superman will be in its own universe, and he's already expressed extreme dislike for setting his Batman movies in a shared universe. Not inherently bad, but I'm sure that will disappoint some people.
Nolan's shown excellent craftsmanship in the past, though the Superman character is a bit outside his usual storytelling style. Overall I'll say it's encouraging.
Also of note, he shoots down the idea that there's a JLA film coming, at least using characters from solo films, since this Superman will be in its own universe, and he's already expressed extreme dislike for setting his Batman movies in a shared universe. Not inherently bad, but I'm sure that will disappoint some people.
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Just because he doesn't explicitly link the two together doesn't mean it'd be impossible to do a crossover later. After all, Superman and Batman started out in separate realities in the comics before they started crossing over (I think their first crossover was on the Superman radio series).
Just because he doesn't explicitly link the two together doesn't mean it'd be impossible to do a crossover later. After all, Superman and Batman started out in separate realities in the comics before they started crossing over (I think their first crossover was on the Superman radio series).
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Moreover, him saying that just shows that there is no current design to build an integrated film universe, which Marvel has said they want to do from the time they started their current film slate.
He says he wants Superman to be the only one in his movie universe; much like with Batman, one imagines he'll stick to that.
Moreover, him saying that just shows that there is no current design to build an integrated film universe, which Marvel has said they want to do from the time they started their current film slate.
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Most solo superhero movies work best when they are the only hero in the universe. Otherwise you're constantly wondering, well why doesn't X come to help. When DC decides it wants to do a crossover I'm sure they can take the existing movies and merge the universes together. But until that point, better to focus on making good single hero movies.
Most solo superhero movies work best when they are the only hero in the universe. Otherwise you're constantly wondering, well why doesn't X come to help. When DC decides it wants to do a crossover I'm sure they can take the existing movies and merge the universes together. But until that point, better to focus on making good single hero movies.
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Well, no. Here's the quote from the article:
First of all, we don't have a direct quote of Nolan himself saying that; we just have reporter Geoff Boucher's paraphrase of what he thought Nolan was saying. Recognizing that distinction is the first rule of defensive newsreading. Reporters' paraphrases are filtered through at least one level of interpretation, and sometimes they get details wrong or misrepresent things.
Second, we don't see either Nolan or Boucher using the word "universe." Nolan is speaking to "the internal logic of the story." Boucher says each superhero is alone in the "world" of his movie, but "world" can be used figuratively to mean a particular sphere or domain, the places and things that affect and matter to a person; for instance, Batman's world is the sordid underbelly of Gotham City. As far as the story of a particular movie is concerned, its "world" is the stuff that matters to that particular story. One could write a movie script that treats Superman as a unique entity without explicitly coming out and saying "there are no other superheroes anywhere on the planet Earth"; it's simply a matter of structuring the story's logic so that Superman plays a unique role to the characters therein.
And that's compatible with a world where Batman exists, because in Nolan's world, Batman isn't seen as a superhero but as a costumed vigilante. And it's compatible with a world where other superheroes come along later.
It's true that what you're saying is one possible interpretation of the text. But it's not the only possible one.
Well, no. Here's the quote from the article:
First of all, we don't have a direct quote of Nolan himself saying that; we just have reporter Geoff Boucher's paraphrase of what he thought Nolan was saying. Recognizing that distinction is the first rule of defensive newsreading. Reporters' paraphrases are filtered through at least one level of interpretation, and sometimes they get details wrong or misrepresent things.
Second, we don't see either Nolan or Boucher using the word "universe." Nolan is speaking to "the internal logic of the story." Boucher says each superhero is alone in the "world" of his movie, but "world" can be used figuratively to mean a particular sphere or domain, the places and things that affect and matter to a person; for instance, Batman's world is the sordid underbelly of Gotham City. As far as the story of a particular movie is concerned, its "world" is the stuff that matters to that particular story. One could write a movie script that treats Superman as a unique entity without explicitly coming out and saying "there are no other superheroes anywhere on the planet Earth"; it's simply a matter of structuring the story's logic so that Superman plays a unique role to the characters therein.
And that's compatible with a world where Batman exists, because in Nolan's world, Batman isn't seen as a superhero but as a costumed vigilante. And it's compatible with a world where other superheroes come along later.
It's true that what you're saying is one possible interpretation of the text. But it's not the only possible one.
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All fascinating stuff, esp. all the copyright issues involved with co-creators' Schuster and Siegel's heirs.
I happened to like the first two Superman flicks quite a bit. I do think Superman has to be the optimistic foil to a Batman, though. That's how they've changed their relationship, so I hope whenever this new Superman appears, it reflects the sunny optimism of the positive immigrant experience, Superman being the ultimate immigrant success story -- orphan lands, adopted by Midwesterners, becomes successful journalist and world hero.
I would like them to delve more into Clark's role as a crusading reporter, actually, instead of a bumbling fool. In the old Superman TV show, Clark was seen as nonviolent but a confident reporter, and they hinted at that in Superman: The Movie, when Perry White says he has a snappy, punchy prose style -- in other words, he's an accomplished writer.
I think the origin should be reprised, but with an homage to the original take on Krypton's demise: that it was a young, advanced society on the verge of great strides, cut down in its prime, rather than the death of an aging society without that much spark, as seemed to be the case in the original flick. That's what would make Krypton's destruction more poignant: the waste of potential.
As for Luthor, I say he should play a role, but be a background player, much like he was portrayed in the Man of Steel miniseries which rebooted Superman back in the mid- to late '80s. That is, he's seen by the public as Metropolis's top citizen, but he resents how Superman has stolen his thunder, and could be behind the threats Superman could face. Superman's frustration: Luthor covers his tracks so it's hard to prove he has anything to do with such shenanigans. Definitely abandon the idea that the two were contemporaries in Smallville -- works in the show, not in a new movie. They should be adult rivals.
Frankly, to keep it closer to the Supeman mythos, a movie version of Brainiac would be welcome, too -- perhaps Luthor reverse engineers Kryptonian technology with the disastrous effect of reviving Brainiac. I seem to recall that in one of the rebooted versions of Brainiac it was created by Jor-El, so that would be a welcome addition. Certainly the Smallville version of Brainiac was quite troublesome and dangerous.
There is one idea from the Smallville show that I hope they adopt: Kryptonite mutating normal humans. It could form the basis of Luthor's "meta-human" project, to create super-solders loyal to him. I always thought that was a clever rework of kryptonite, that it indeed had an effect on human beings. Therefore, characters like the Human Parasite or Live Wire would be experiments of Luthor's.
I also recall that in the Man of Steel miniseries, Luthor had a ring made of kryptonite to protect himself against Superman. They had a twist, though -- the radiation from the kryptonite give him cancer and he loses a finger. But what would be more interesting is the meteor rock increases Luthor's intelligence -- that's how he's able to reverse-engineer the Kryptonian technology he's discovered all across the globe to serve as the basis of his high-tech conglomerate. If fragments from Krypton reached one place like Smallville, there's no reason they couldn't have landed elsewhere.
All fascinating stuff, esp. all the copyright issues involved with co-creators' Schuster and Siegel's heirs.
I happened to like the first two Superman flicks quite a bit. I do think Superman has to be the optimistic foil to a Batman, though. That's how they've changed their relationship, so I hope whenever this new Superman appears, it reflects the sunny optimism of the positive immigrant experience, Superman being the ultimate immigrant success story -- orphan lands, adopted by Midwesterners, becomes successful journalist and world hero.
I would like them to delve more into Clark's role as a crusading reporter, actually, instead of a bumbling fool. In the old Superman TV show, Clark was seen as nonviolent but a confident reporter, and they hinted at that in Superman: The Movie, when Perry White says he has a snappy, punchy prose style -- in other words, he's an accomplished writer.
I think the origin should be reprised, but with an homage to the original take on Krypton's demise: that it was a young, advanced society on the verge of great strides, cut down in its prime, rather than the death of an aging society without that much spark, as seemed to be the case in the original flick. That's what would make Krypton's destruction more poignant: the waste of potential.
As for Luthor, I say he should play a role, but be a background player, much like he was portrayed in the Man of Steel miniseries which rebooted Superman back in the mid- to late '80s. That is, he's seen by the public as Metropolis's top citizen, but he resents how Superman has stolen his thunder, and could be behind the threats Superman could face. Superman's frustration: Luthor covers his tracks so it's hard to prove he has anything to do with such shenanigans. Definitely abandon the idea that the two were contemporaries in Smallville -- works in the show, not in a new movie. They should be adult rivals.
Frankly, to keep it closer to the Supeman mythos, a movie version of Brainiac would be welcome, too -- perhaps Luthor reverse engineers Kryptonian technology with the disastrous effect of reviving Brainiac. I seem to recall that in one of the rebooted versions of Brainiac it was created by Jor-El, so that would be a welcome addition. Certainly the Smallville version of Brainiac was quite troublesome and dangerous.
There is one idea from the Smallville show that I hope they adopt: Kryptonite mutating normal humans. It could form the basis of Luthor's "meta-human" project, to create super-solders loyal to him. I always thought that was a clever rework of kryptonite, that it indeed had an effect on human beings. Therefore, characters like the Human Parasite or Live Wire would be experiments of Luthor's.
I also recall that in the Man of Steel miniseries, Luthor had a ring made of kryptonite to protect himself against Superman. They had a twist, though -- the radiation from the kryptonite give him cancer and he loses a finger. But what would be more interesting is the meteor rock increases Luthor's intelligence -- that's how he's able to reverse-engineer the Kryptonian technology he's discovered all across the globe to serve as the basis of his high-tech conglomerate. If fragments from Krypton reached one place like Smallville, there's no reason they couldn't have landed elsewhere.
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The third Batman film MUST have Thalia as the villain, getting revenge for the death of her father, Ra's Al Guul. Thalia can use a major villain to bring Batman out of hiding. Much the same way Ra's used Scarecrow. I'm thinking Victor Zaz or Killer Croc.
The only way Superman can work as it's own time line, is they set it about 15 or so years before Batman Begins. Sometime at the end of the movie, you can have Lois going to report on the death of Thomas, and Martha Wayne. You can tie the universes together in a subtle way like that.
The third Batman film MUST have Thalia as the villain, getting revenge for the death of her father, Ra's Al Guul. Thalia can use a major villain to bring Batman out of hiding. Much the same way Ra's used Scarecrow. I'm thinking Victor Zaz or Killer Croc.
The only way Superman can work as it's own time line, is they set it about 15 or so years before Batman Begins. Sometime at the end of the movie, you can have Lois going to report on the death of Thomas, and Martha Wayne. You can tie the universes together in a subtle way like that.
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I've always liked the idea of bringing in Talia as well, especially if the studio insists on a strong female character. She would be a lot more plausible than Catwoman in Nolan's world. I don't think she could headline the movie all by herself, though. Then the question becomes which villain she's paired with, or at least which other villain occupies the same story with her. It's a tough call, since most Batman villains are too garish for the 'universe' Nolan has created in his Batman films. Can't think of many others working other than The Riddler (although I bet Nolan wouldn't want to use that name and just have him called "Nygma") or maybe Bane.
I've always liked the idea of bringing in Talia as well, especially if the studio insists on a strong female character. She would be a lot more plausible than Catwoman in Nolan's world. I don't think she could headline the movie all by herself, though. Then the question becomes which villain she's paired with, or at least which other villain occupies the same story with her. It's a tough call, since most Batman villains are too garish for the 'universe' Nolan has created in his Batman films. Can't think of many others working other than The Riddler (although I bet Nolan wouldn't want to use that name and just have him called "Nygma") or maybe Bane.
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If this is the last ride for Nolan's Batman, there should be some sort of redemption arc following how the last movie ended. Riddler as the guy brought in to capture Batman who instead turns out to be much much worse than anyone imagined. Catwoman as simply a thief who clashes with Batman and turns out not to be as bad as Batman thinks. Blurring a lot of lines.
If this is the last ride for Nolan's Batman, there should be some sort of redemption arc following how the last movie ended. Riddler as the guy brought in to capture Batman who instead turns out to be much much worse than anyone imagined. Catwoman as simply a thief who clashes with Batman and turns out not to be as bad as Batman thinks. Blurring a lot of lines.
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Bane was supposed to equal Batman's Intelligence, and cunning, thanks to the Venom serum. Joker was Batman's psychological villain, Bane could be the physical villain. With all the experimenting Dr, Crane did at Arkham, you gotta wonder: did he create Bane? Done carefully, Bane could work. I would welcome a proper big screen version of one of Batman's greatest enemies. Batman & Robin to this day, even after 2 great movies still leaves a bad taste in fans mouths at the mere mention of it. I fear that because of that one movie, we'll never see proper film versions of Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, or even Bane. Nolan hit it out of the park with Heath and the Joker. You never know. Bane does seem like a real-world villain that Nolan could use.
Bane was supposed to equal Batman's Intelligence, and cunning, thanks to the Venom serum. Joker was Batman's psychological villain, Bane could be the physical villain. With all the experimenting Dr, Crane did at Arkham, you gotta wonder: did he create Bane? Done carefully, Bane could work. I would welcome a proper big screen version of one of Batman's greatest enemies. Batman & Robin to this day, even after 2 great movies still leaves a bad taste in fans mouths at the mere mention of it. I fear that because of that one movie, we'll never see proper film versions of Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, or even Bane. Nolan hit it out of the park with Heath and the Joker. You never know. Bane does seem like a real-world villain that Nolan could use.
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I love that idea for Riddler! It would be neat if Bullock and Montoya was a part of the Batman Taskforce (Movie title idea perhaps?) Bullock always on Nygma's side, while Montoya questions his motives.
As for Catwoman, what if she's a Robin Hood type character, who robs from big rich tycoons, and donates it to charity? She breaks into Wayne Manor (Newly refurbished), and sets off all kinds of alarms. She escapes. Wayne studies the security footage, and becomes fascinated by her.
I love that idea for Riddler! It would be neat if Bullock and Montoya was a part of the Batman Taskforce (Movie title idea perhaps?) Bullock always on Nygma's side, while Montoya questions his motives.
As for Catwoman, what if she's a Robin Hood type character, who robs from big rich tycoons, and donates it to charity? She breaks into Wayne Manor (Newly refurbished), and sets off all kinds of alarms. She escapes. Wayne studies the security footage, and becomes fascinated by her.
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Yep; that was in the Bruce Timm / Paul Dini "Superman: The Animated Series". In fact, Brainiac was shown as responsible for the extinction of the Kryptonian people. Brainiac knew the planet's death was coming, but it hid the information from its people. Why? Because Brainiac wanted to invest all of its processing power and resources into saving itself; if the people of Krypton knew their planet was about to die, they would have tied up Brainiac in trying to find a way to save the planet.
Superman: TAS matches up with much of what you're saying (including the young society of Krypton cut down in its prime); and I've always thought that Superman: TAS was the best interpretation of Superman yet to come down the pipe.
Yep; that was in the Bruce Timm / Paul Dini "Superman: The Animated Series". In fact, Brainiac was shown as responsible for the extinction of the Kryptonian people. Brainiac knew the planet's death was coming, but it hid the information from its people. Why? Because Brainiac wanted to invest all of its processing power and resources into saving itself; if the people of Krypton knew their planet was about to die, they would have tied up Brainiac in trying to find a way to save the planet.
Superman: TAS matches up with much of what you're saying (including the young society of Krypton cut down in its prime); and I've always thought that Superman: TAS was the best interpretation of Superman yet to come down the pipe.
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I really liked the cartoon's interpretation of Brainiac.
I really liked the cartoon's interpretation of Brainiac.
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Seemed to me that all they did on the cartoon was take the Eradicator and give him the name "Brainiac". Really not much difference.
Seemed to me that all they did on the cartoon was take the Eradicator and give him the name "Brainiac". Really not much difference.
