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Chris Nolan is prepping Batman 3 and will mentor a new Superman film

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Warner Bros is trying to ready its DC Comics stalwart Superman to soar again on the Big Screen, and the studio has turned to Chris Nolan to mentor development of the movie. Our insiders say that the brains behind rebooted Batman has been asked to play a "godfather" role and ensure The Man Of Steel gets off the ground after a 3 1/2-year hiatus. Nolan's leadership of the project can set it in the right direction with the critics and the fans, not to mention at the box office. Besides, Nolan is considered something of a god at Warner Bros and has a strong relationship with the studio after the success of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. Though he wasn’t obligated to do so, he gave the studio first crack at his spec script Inception, and Warner Bros was able to buy it before other studios even got a sniff. While Nolan completes that Leonardo DiCaprio-starrer for a July 16th release, he's also hatched an idea for Warner Bros' third Batman installment. Now his brother and frequent collaborator Jonah Nolan, and David Goyer who co-wrote Batman Begins and penned the story for The Dark Knight, are off scripting it.

Let us emphasize that Superman 3.0 is in the early stages of development. And we doubt Nolan would direct. This wouldn't be a sequel to Superman Returns but a completely fresh franchise. As one of our insiders reassures: “It would definitely not be a followup to Superman Returns." Nolan coming on board follows a hiatus period for Superman after that 2006 reboot as the studio tried to figure out whether or not to make a sequel to that version starring Brandon Routh directed by Bryan Singer. As recently as this summer, Warner Bros was still contemplating how to proceed. We were told that "Bryan or Brandon are not completely out of it yet. But Warner Bros doesn't have a handle yet on it, either. [Producer] Jon Peters is trying to make something happen since he stands to benefit financially. But they [the studio] need to hear a great story that makes sense." Another insider explained to us, "We know what we don't want to do. But we don't know what we want to do. We learned a lot from the last movie, and we want to get it right this time."

Fans have long been yearning for Superman to finally get the big screen Nolan-ized treatment this classic superhero deserves. Warner Bros clearly has learned from its attempt to follow the mediocre 1978-1985 quartet of movies starring Christopher Reeve and produced by Ilya and Alexander Salkind, with 2006's underwhelming Superman Returns. That inbetween period was plagued by long delays and budget troubles and script misses. In 1997, original Batman director Tim Burton tried to make a Superman movie starring Nicolas Cage. Around 2004, J.J. Abrams wrote a film that was the first leg of a trilogy. Abrams wanted to direct, but had only directed episodes of his TV series (and wouldn't make his feature directing debut until 2006's Mission:Impossible III. McG and Brett Ratner separately were attached to that film. Ratner got closest, but Warner Bros was wary of a budget that swelled to $250 million, and which seemed risky after established star Josh Hartnett turned down the 3-picture deal that could have brought him $100 million in salary. After that, Warner Bros bosses didn't embrace Ratner's s choice of soap opera actor Matt Bomer to star.

Other prominent filmmakers were reportedly in the loop, but Warner Bros never pulled the trigger on the picture until Bryan Singer's involvement. Singer's Superman Returns was respectably reviewed for the genre. But it turned in only $52 million opening weekend, and $391 million worldwide gross. Problem was it cost too much (the budget was reportedly $270 million), and the promotion was lousy (Joel Silver was brought in at the last minute to inject macho into the marketing campaign). Worse, it left diehard fans only "meh" about a sequel starring Routh. Singer fared better, but it seems doubtful he'll be asked for an encore now. After all, Singer is now developing the spinoff X-Men: First Class for 20th Century Fox whose bosses were furious when he took on The Man Of Steel reboot instead of helming X-Men 3.
But Singer and the studio subsequently made peace and he's back in the Fox fold and on board.

The restructuring of Warner Bros' business with DC Comics became Warner Bros Pictures Group president Jeff Robinov's first priority since having his contract reupped by Time Warner last summer. Problems have plagued the DC Comics-Warner Bros relationship for more than a decade. But the biggest failure has been to leave the most valuable DC Comics characters in movie development limbo by chaotically starting and stopping development on the high profile live action pics. Most recently, Warner Bros and DC Comics are finally getting their act together as evidenced by the progress on Green Lantern.

Superman 3.0 would test Warner Bros veteran executive Diane Nelson, the head of DC Entertainment Inc, that new company founded to fully realize and integrate the power and value of the DC Comics brand and characters across all media and platforms into Warner Bros Entertainment's content and distribution businesses. Nelson especially was charged with suping up Superman again because it's way too valuable to leave dormant like this. Besides, the clock is ticking.
Attorney Marc Toberoff, who keeps suing Warner Bros on behalf of creative rightsholders, warns that, in 2013, the Jerome Siegel heirs along with the estate of co-creator Joe Shuster will own the entire original copyright to Superman -- "and neither DC Comics nor Warner Bros will be able to exploit any new Superman works without a license from the Siegels and Shusters". He's also pointed out that, if Warner Bros does not start production on a new Superman sequel or reboot by 2011, the Siegels could sue to recover their damages on the grounds that the deal should have contained a clause in which the rights returned to the owners after a given time if no film was in development. The heirs of Siegel have already been awarded half the copyright for Superman. And in 2013 the heirs of co-creator Joe Shuster get the remaining half. After that, neither DC Comics nor Warner Bros will be able to use Superman without a financial agreement with the heirs. There are also stipulations on what parts of the origins story can be used in future Superman movies and which require re-negotiations with the creators' heirs or estates.

At first, Warner Bros felt no pressure to rush out another Superman pic. As Warner Bros chairman Alan Horn told a court hearing about rights to Superman, he hoped to make another Superman movie but no film was in development, no script had been written, and the earliest he foresaw another Superman film released would be 2012. He told the judge: "We had hopes to keep the character alive and to once again reinvent Superman. Our hope is to develop a Superman property and to try again. What hurt us is that the reviews and so on for the Superman movie did not get the kind of critical acclaim that Batman got, and we have other issues with Superman that concern us."

So Warner Bros is now bringing in Batman's saviour. What Nolan would do with the Superman character and story is intriguing to say the least. And he has the experience necessary of prepping and pepping a played-out franchise. The 2005 Batman Begins grossed $373 million worldwide on a reported $150 million budget. And of course 2008’s The Dark Knight crossed the $1 billion worldwide gross mark on a reported $185 million budget (and Heath Ledger posthumously won an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor).

But Batman has always been The Dark Knight. But there's a big difference between Superman's cinematic incarnation and comic-book version. Warner Brothers and DC Comics for a long time weren’t sure which version they liked better. The cinematic version has been squeaky clean, occasionally campy, and has more-or-less unlimited power except when confronted with Kryptonite. The comic book version has some limits on his powers, can be darker, and fights aliens a lot more. Shortly after Dark Knight hit it big, fans assumed that Superman would be taken to the “dark” side as well. That's because Warner Bros mogul Jeff Robinov stressed post-Dark Knight that "we have to look at how to make these movies edgier". One of our insiders interpreted this to say: "He meant more sophisticated."

A more comic-accurate Superman seems like the way to go. No need to worry: Chris Nolan knows what he's doing.
 
Re: Chris Nolan is prepping Batman 3 and will mentor a new Superman fi

If this is true, I reckon Jackson Archer will cream his pants when he reads it.

Of course, just because someone makes a good Batman movie (or two great ones), they won't necessarily make a good Superman one. And going to someone with an established rep in the superhero field didnt quite work out for WB as they hoped last time round (though I still like Superman Returns). But this has to be viewed as a positive, even if only with a little caution.
 
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It could turn out well, depending on the approach. Superman shouldn't be dark, but a more sophisticated, realistic approach to a basically optimistic character would be worthwhile, and a refreshing break from the corniness and camp of the previous Superman films. Superman Returns was an attempt at a more sophisticated take in character terms, but at the same time it was an overly slavish homage to the '70s campfests and was hamstrung by its unwillingness to reinvent Superman from the ground up, as the comics have done multiple times since the era of the Reeve movies.

As for the origin story, I'd be happy to see the next Superman movie just skip over that. Everyone knows the tale by now, so they could just follow the precedent of, say, Leterrier's The Incredible Hulk and get through the whole thing in the main title sequence, then jump right into a here-and-now story. Though now that I think about it, it might be nice to see a Nolanesque take on the psychology and symbolism of why Clark Kent decides to become Superman, as there was with Bruce Wayne in Batman Begins. Maybe the film could gloss over the Krypton/rocketship portions and begin with a young-adult Clark Kent trying to find his place in the world -- kind of like Smallville or like Birthright without the first 15 pages.
 
Re: Chris Nolan is prepping Batman 3 and will mentor a new Superman fi

It sounds like the potential for a future Batman/Superman movie just a got a boost...
 
Re: Chris Nolan is prepping Batman 3 and will mentor a new Superman fi

Well so far, he's only relegated to a consultant role, so who knows how it will turn out. Could even pull a complete 180 and ditch the whole realism tone for this. But please no origin story, please for the love of Jor 'el no origin story!

A little bit of history via title credits is fine. I just hope they jump right into the meat and potatos and have him fight alien invaders, possible cameo of jon jonnes, setting up a Justice League live action film. Just pull the trigger and do what Marvel is doing with the Avengers, but with your cast of heroes
 
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No more funny, land grabbing Luthor!!! In fact almost no Luthor at all until the end would be the best. Plenty of bad guys to elevate for Superman to fight. Torn about seeing the origin yet again. If handled well and quickly I would have no problem with it. Extending it beyond a few minutes and I cant see it advancing the story.
 
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Is is somewhat reminiscent of what WB did in the nineties when Tim Burton, based on his Batman success, oversaw a Superman movie. Obviously, it never came to pass and, if it did, no one here would ever complain about Superman Returns again! :p

As for the movie potentially being dark...there is nothing wrong with that, as long as Superman himself remains that positive light of hope.
 
Re: Chris Nolan is prepping Batman 3 and will mentor a new Superman fi

Is is somewhat reminiscent of what WB did in the nineties when Tim Burton, based on his Batman success, oversaw a Superman movie. Obviously, it never came to pass and, if it did, no one here would ever complain about Superman Returns again! :p

Truthfully, I am less worried with Nolan overseeing things than I was with Tim Burton. If anyone remembers, Burton was much more dismissive of the classic Superman when he was handling the movie. Contrast that with Nolan, who views the Donner Superman film with an appreciation, with his Batman Begins following the same narrative structure as Superman: the Movie and explaining Batman's more nonsensical elements with the verisimilitude with the same importance Donner did.
 
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Truthfully, I am less worried with Nolan overseeing things than I was with Tim Burton. If anyone remembers, Burton was much more dismissive of the classic Superman when he was handling the movie. Contrast that with Nolan, who views the Donner Superman film with an appreciation...
That's good to hear. Now I wonder what Nolan thought of Superman Returns.
 
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Contrast that with Nolan, who views the Donner Superman film with an appreciation, with his Batman Begins following the same narrative structure as Superman: the Movie and explaining Batman's more nonsensical elements with the verisimilitude with the same importance Donner did.

If anything, that makes me more worried. The main problem with Superman Returns is that it was too slavishly imitative of a decades-old take on the Man of Steel. We need something new and fresh, something modern, something that will appeal to a present-day filmgoing audience and not just to nostalgia buffs. The Superman character in comics and television has evolved well beyond the state of the character in the late '70s. The movies need to be free to draw on and distill the best of the ideas that have been established over the past 30 years and not be frozen in the pre-Crisis era like Returns was.

And "verisimilitude" in the Donner film? Since when?
 
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And "verisimilitude" in the Donner film? Since when?
Since always. As Empire wrote in a Top 10 rundown of comic book films a few years ago (which placed Superman: The Movie at #2):
Verisimilitude was Richard Donner’s watchword for his adaptation of the most iconic superhero of them all. He wanted a sense that this fantastical story was actually happening, that you could believe a man could fly – and for the most part, he got it right, bringing a great American hero to a USA in need of post-Nam cheer. Superman’s effects have dated considerably since Christopher Reeve first soared into the sky, and it is overlong with the odd clunker of a scene, but it has the gorgeous feel and look of a Norman Rockwell painting brought to life, and a sense of scale that’s still impressive.
 
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Well, I love Chris Nolan, but I'm not so sure if he's the best-suited individual to make "mentoring" creative decisions on the Superman character. He's the exact opposite of Batman, and what makes him work is completely different than what fundamentally makes Batman work.

Chris Nolan's films are much more psychologically based and I don't strike Superman as a characteristically psychological character, unlike Batman. Hopefully Nolan's influence will strictly adhere to the selection of an appropriate writer and director, a team that will take the time to understand the character like how Nolan took the time to understand Batman. Also to ensure that the philosophy of verisimilitude is kept intact.

I mean, we really have no idea what type of "mentoring" role Nolan will play here. So most of this is conjecture and speculation, but I still don't think that just because Nolan understands Batman means he's the "go-to" guy for Superman.
 
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And "verisimilitude" in the Donner film? Since when?
Since always. As Empire wrote in a Top 10 rundown of comic book films a few years ago (which placed Superman: The Movie at #2):
Verisimilitude was Richard Donner’s watchword for his adaptation of the most iconic superhero of them all. He wanted a sense that this fantastical story was actually happening, that you could believe a man could fly – and for the most part, he got it right, bringing a great American hero to a USA in need of post-Nam cheer. Superman’s effects have dated considerably since Christopher Reeve first soared into the sky, and it is overlong with the odd clunker of a scene, but it has the gorgeous feel and look of a Norman Rockwell painting brought to life, and a sense of scale that’s still impressive.

I guess you and they are defining verisimilitude differently than I am. This is a film which climaxes with the hero spinning the Earth around backwards to reverse time. Its sequel (mostly shot back-to-back with it) has Kryptonians talking to each other in outer space. Its villains are campy comic relief only barely less ridiculous than Adam West's rogues' gallery. Its Krypton is a totally nonsensical environment without a trace of functionality (where do they sit in those crystal houses? Where's the kitchen? Is there a single plant or animal anywhere on the entire planet?). Its depictions and descriptions of outer space are ridiculous. The only verisimilitude is visual, not conceptual. The verisimilitude in Batman Begins is on a much deeper level.

And I'm not sure I even agree that the depiction of Superman's flight is that, err, verisimilitudinous. To be honest, it looks like an actor being flown on wires rather than a man launching himself skyward with his own power. My father always found it very unconvincing for that reason, the fact that Reeve didn't seem to jump or push off at all (which he couldn't do without relaxing the tension in the wires and screwing up the movement).
 
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I mean, we really have no idea what type of "mentoring" role Nolan will play here.

I'm suddenly picturing a hazing ritual...

New director: "Are you sure about this?"

Nolan: "Yeah, everybody had to do it on The Dark Knight. You want your movie to do as well as The Dark Knight...right? Now, get in the Shumacher nipple costume, and start reading the lines."
 
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I guess you and they are defining verisimilitude differently than I am. This is a film which climaxes with the hero spinning the Earth around backwards to reverse time. Its sequel (mostly shot back-to-back with it) has Kryptonians talking to each other in outer space. Its villains are campy comic relief only barely less ridiculous than Adam West's rogues' gallery. Its Krypton is a totally nonsensical environment without a trace of functionality (where do they sit in those crystal houses? Where's the kitchen? Is there a single plant or animal anywhere on the entire planet?). Its depictions and descriptions of outer space are ridiculous. The only verisimilitude is visual, not conceptual. The verisimilitude in Batman Begins is on a much deeper level.

And I'm not sure I even agree that the depiction of Superman's flight is that, err, verisimilitudinous. To be honest, it looks like an actor being flown on wires rather than a man launching himself skyward with his own power. My father always found it very unconvincing for that reason, the fact that Reeve didn't seem to jump or push off at all (which he couldn't do without relaxing the tension in the wires and screwing up the movement).
That there have been subsequent superhero films made with greater degrees of verisimilitude, and that the great advances in special effects since then plays a part in that, goes without saying. But the level of seriousness and respect with which Donner treated the source material was revolutionary for the time in terms of how costumed comic book superheroes were depicted in filmed entertainment.

And Donner's concept of verisimilitude didn't mean that everything had to be serious or that all of the science had to be believable (clearly that's not the case in the film). It meant that Superman's virtuousness and the mythic qualities of his origin were treated seriously rather than as a nudge and a wink parody.

Here's a quote from an interview Tom Mankiewicz did with Newsarama about the Donner cut of Superman II wherein he contrasted Donner's approach with Lester's:

This goes back to the Salkinds and it may seem like I’m picking on them but then again Donner and I used to call the movie Close Encounters of the Salkind. It was a terrible choice of director. Lester just happened to be the one they owed the money too. He was a very talented director but he’s a cynic. His great work like the Beatles movies [A Hard Day's Night and Help!] and The Musketeer movies are all cynical, tongue in cheek things. So of course he’s going to go camp because he doesn’t really believe in it. Donner and I each had a Superman placard in our offices at Pinewood Studios that said on it “Verisimilitude. You just got to do it like it’s really happening.” There was some humor with Gene Hackman but the new production designer, John Barry, said Krypton is one big crystal and the brilliant cinematographer, Geoffrey Unsworth, said “Well I’m going to shoot it all with fog filters” and then I said, “Well I’m going to write all the Krypton stuff in stilted English semi-Shakespearean stuff.” Then we move to Kansas in Smallville where Unsworth shoots in sepia colors and all the writing is “Gosh, Ma and Pa.” Then you get to Metropolis and there are red reds and green greens like a comic strip. Then the payoff of all of it was in the second movie and that’s what got so screwed around. Lester’s forte is sophisticated comedy but Superman is not a sophisticated comedy. You’ve got to believe that a man can fly.

Frankly, Lester put in sequences that were campy and also some scenes that were very cruel. At one point the supervillains kill a little boy but that got cut out. Now it sounds like I’m now knocking Lester and I don’t mean to but he didn’t believe and Donner believed. I’m really happy for Donner that this new cut is out because it is the movie he envisioned.
 
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Chris Nolan's films are much more psychologically based and I don't strike Superman as a characteristically psychological character, unlike Batman. Hopefully Nolan's influence will strictly adhere to the selection of an appropriate writer and director, a team that will take the time to understand the character like how Nolan took the time to understand Batman.

While Begins might have been a look into Batman's psychology, I don't think Dark Knight was particularly psychological--true, it showed how Batman and Dent dealt with their struggle with the Joker, but the Joker himself was a deliberate absence of motive and character, an alien presence. Dark Knight, to me, is more of a social inquiry, a film more about Gotham than it is about Batman... and I think you can do that kind of social inquiry around Superman, too: the question of power, and its application and legitimacy. My favourite version of Superman was the animated Justice League/Unlimited version, who seemed (to me, anyway) older, more tempered, and involved itself with these questions of Superman's nigh-absolute power versus the ethical limits of his involvement and the freedom to choose (and sometimes to fail). The real question here would be if this is really an issue you'd want to deal with in a first film; I don't think Dark Knight could have made the transition from Batman to Gotham without the first film's character work as a basis for the expanded scope.

Since always. As Empire wrote in a Top 10 rundown of comic book films a few years ago (which placed Superman: The Movie at #2):

Empire needs to look up the meaning of the word 'verisimilitude', because Donner's film is utterly barren of it. Also, they need to watch more movies if they put that campfest at the top of their list.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
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Well, whatever the merits of the Donner movie may have been relative to its time, it's very dated now, and the last thing I want to see is another good present-day director hamstring his own creativity by trying to copy what Donner did with Superman in an earlier era.

We've had so many fresh, original takes on Superman in the past 30 years. The comics have given us The Man of Steel, Birthright, and All-Star Superman, and television has given us Lois and Clark, Superman: The Animated Series, and Smallville, among others. In these media, the character and the concept have been handled in fresh and new ways. So why should one movie that was made over three decades ago be treated as the sole touchstone of Superman as a motion picture character? Why keep revisiting that well? I want to see a Superman movie that's as far removed from Donner as Batman Begins was from Burton. I want to see a fresh approach.
 
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According to that report the reboot is supposedly going to be a fresh approach.
 
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