"Choose Your Pain" Klingon ship (Visual spoilers?)

[Mirror Mirror]

Not if you update it like DS9 and Star Trek 09 did.

Go find me any other space ship designed in the 1960s that looks remotely like a D-7

And that is not the D7. I really need a clear look to see if I like it or not, but it kept the wing shape and moved toward what DS9 and TNG started with the klingon style. The 60's style is all over the classic D7, its simplistically smooth hull marks. I am unsure how you guys can not see this stuff.

 

[Tuskin38]

And that is not the D7. I really need a clear look to see if I like it or not, but it kept the wing shape and moved toward what DS9 and TNG started with the klingon style. The 60's style is all over the classic D7, its simplistically smooth hull marks. I am unsure how you guys can not see this stuff.

It looks like a Jem’hadar Dreadnought (battleship?)

 

[Mirror Mirror]

I too find the Klingon design in DSC strikingly similar to that of Into Darkness—which seems to me to also have incorporated the secondary nostrils—although they've clearly gone further with the stylization of the features in the new show, particularly the exaggerated elongation of the head in back. They aren't the same, but that seems to be where they started from in the process of updating the overall Klingon design. And considering it was their most recent appearance, that's only natural.

The same guy designed both STID and DSC klingons. Although the four noistal hints have been there going back to TNG and DS9. Notice Gowron and Martok here.

Its just something you see on alot of the later make up and they took it and ran with it.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

It looks like a Jem’hadar Dreadnought (battleship?)

Those have a blade like front "necK". Almost like a punching dagger. Theses seem to be just wings with little in the way of neck.

 

[ITDUDE]

I mentioned this earlier, but I'll say it again: the COMPUTER did not correctly identify the ship. Federation database of Klingon tech is incomplete, it made its best attempt to make a match.

Except it wasn't the computer that announced it was the D7. It was the writer that wrote it was D7. And computer voice repeated the line as per the script. The writer meant for it to be D7, so that is what it is.

 

[Dukhat]

Good for you, but it means something to me as it grounds it in a reality that I like.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not telling you to agree with me, or even change your view that CBS simply can do no wrong in their proclamations. Whatever you like and lets you sleep better at night is none of my business.

Now with that said, I still haven’t changed my belief that “prime” is just a meaningless buzz word that at this point really only means “not the Kelvin timeline” like someone above mentioned.

 

[Fateor]

Except it wasn't the computer that announced it was the D7. It was the writer that wrote it was D7. And computer voice repeated the line as per the script. The writer meant for it to be D7, so that is what it is.

Nope, it's not a D7.

Because we know what a D7 looks like and that wasn't it.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Nope, it's not a D7.

Because we know what a D7 looks like and that wasn't it.

No, we know what it used to look like.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I don't care what hand waving they do here - the producers seem to want this to be a full universe reboot; regardless of all the 'Trust us, irt'll all work out in the end canon wise.'

Did they ever actually SAY anything like this? I thought that's just a comforting lie that WE have been telling ourselves for the past, like, eight months or so? The producers, AFAIK, made no such promises.

But the D-7 is an iconic ship design. If Starfleet 'updates' its classification at the end of this series, that just a big cop out for zero real reason other that"Hey, lets really screw with hardcore TOS fans just for the fun of it..."; and that sucks.

Hardcore TOS fans are not Discovery's target audiences.

Hardcore TOS fans are TOS' target audience.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I don't know about that? It could've been the CGI artist thought it was supposed to be something new. Somehow it snuck past everyone. I hope that is the case.

Because it is a middle finger to people who care about visual continuity if they did it intentionally.

Considering I just finished getting called an "arrogant motherfucker" by someone who tells me that Discovery's producers don't care about Star Trek because they got Mudd's facial hair wrong (he's not supposed to have a beard), I'm just about ready to believe that the Visual Continuity Snobs probably have it coming.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Did they ever actually SAY anything like this? I thought that's just a comforting lie that WE have been telling ourselves for the past, like, eight months or so? The producers, AFAIK, made no such promises.


Hardcore TOS fans are not Discovery's target audiences.

Hardcore TOS fans are TOS' target audience.

Really, trying to target the die hards is a recipe for failure. What you end up with is a product they kinda like, but nitpick as its not totally perfect and one that one one else wants to really watch.

Considering I just finished getting called an "arrogant motherfucker" by someone who tells me that Discovery's producers don't care about Star Trek because they got Mudd's facial hair wrong (he's not supposed to have a beard), I'm just about ready to believe that the Visual Continuity Snobs probably have it coming.

I was there months ago. Some of them get very nasty.

 

[OpenMaw]

I actually want to give the show credit for being bold enough to so totally redesign the Klingons...

...But goddamn the ships are just awful. They feel so generic. Those dragonfly things looked like something out of LEXX to me.

 

[ITDUDE]

...But goddamn the ships are just awful. They feel so generic. Those dragonfly things looked like something out of LEXX to me.

Hey now, don't go offending LEXX now. You could do a lot worse than The LEXX

Like the new D7 for example...

 

[OpenMaw]

Quite right, my apologies.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

I actually want to give the show credit for being bold enough to so totally redesign the Klingons...

...But goddamn the ships are just awful. They feel so generic. Those dragonfly things looked like something out of LEXX to me.

I am not seeing this. We do not have a great look, but they do not look like the Lexx

 

[cooleddie74]

I can see complaining about the "D7" vessel in Sunday's episode. That thing is a mess. But Mudd's facial hair? This is almost ten years before Harry Mudd first meets Kirk and the Enterprise crew. Have these nerds never heard of a razor?

Frankly I like the moustache part of his facial hair. Bushy. Almost Victorian in appearance. Just short of curling up at the ends like a handlebar moustache. The facial hair is just fine. At some point between DSC and "Mudd's Women(TOS)" Harry both shaves off the beard and gains weight.

That's it. End of story. Pick a better battle.

 

[Roald]

...But goddamn the ships are just awful. They feel so generic.

I can understand that some people don't like the designs, but the raiders were certainly NOT generic! They were out-of-the-box, with the 'feather tail' and all. I think people use the word 'generic' way too often these days.. it makes the word seem, well... generic.

 

[cooleddie74]

I don't mind the raider ships. They're one of the few Klingon designs in this show I can actually stand, and the almost Okudagram-like layout of the control panel inside the cockpit helped give the raider a more B&B-era feel that was welcome after four weeks of mediocre Klingon design aesthetics.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

The Raiders are hideous. They look like Saru's head when his threat ganglia are deployed. Holy shit, Saru is a Klingon spy!

 

[INACTIVEUSS Einstein]

I'm trying not to judge but finding it hard to respect the choices of the producers in regards to Klingon ships.