Oh, I don't think they thought anything like that when they used the term D-7. That's just me bullshitting a possible explanation.
"Choose Your Pain" Klingon ship (Visual spoilers?)
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Indeed. I really cannot come up any other reason for this than an intentional middle finger to the people who care even a little bit about the visual continuity.
I don't know about that? It could've been the CGI artist thought it was supposed to be something new. Somehow it snuck past everyone. I hope that is the case.
Because it is a middle finger to people who care about visual continuity if they did it intentionally.
I wouldn’t be happy with it, but yes.
That blows my mind to be honest.
I’d probably stop watching the show of that happened.
But that's exactly what happened with the D-7. They created something that has zero relation to what came before.
Well yeah. I really hope it is a mistake but it is pretty hard to imagine how it could have gotten this far.
I would hope that if they were actually petty enough to want to give the middle finger to the fans (and I don't believe that was their intent), that they would come up with something a little better than giving a whole fist to the ship that actually already looked like an upraised middle finger before.
Like TMP, this is a visual updating. Its clear everyone involved are fanbois. I mean its so very, very clear. So they changed the ships, they do fit the look they are going for and its very much the style they started back 20 years ago. They just ditched the silly neck and the human nacells and went with a more bird/wing style design. It is very in line, look wise, with the changes they have shown us.
Yeah, I mean I get folks not liking it, but it does scream "Klingon!". The Orville might work for some Trek races, but I agree, its not starfleet at all. Maybe a bit vulcanish.
But even in the visual updating of TMP - there was a RECOGNIZABLE design lineage apparent. There is NONE in the instance of what they call a 'D-7' in ST
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But even in the visual updating of TMP - there was a RECOGNIZABLE design lineage apparent. There is NONE in the instance of what they call a 'D-7' in ST
Only some. The ships, yeah they reused one design and based another off a known design. But the races and such? Not really. You can recognize those ships as Klingon, they more or less scream it. But no, they do not look like the TOS designs, because frankly those should have been tossed with the TOS make up.
No, the D7 shape still works fine on modern TV
I mentioned this earlier, but I'll say it again: the COMPUTER did not correctly identify the ship. Federation database of Klingon tech is incomplete, it made its best attempt to make a match.
No, no it does not. It looks like what it is. A 1960's sci-fi spaceship.
Yeah man, it ID it correctly. Like it or not. This is the new D7
Not if you update it like DS9 and Star Trek 09 did.
Go find me any other space ship designed in the 1960s that looks remotely like a D-7
Someone on Discovery later mentioned "the battlecruiser where they're holding Lorca" and besides, even if there were two ships, one can see that the design is identical in all exterior shots.
Well, one can certainly take it that way, but look at it in context of the "D-7" designation's origins, as related by Gene Roddenberry in his and Stephen E. Whitfield's The Making of Star Trek, pp. 367-68 of the 1994 paperback reprint from Del Rey:
I WENT ON THE STAGE ONE DAY, AND THEY WERE ALL READY AND WAITING FOR ME, BECAUSE THEY KNEW I WAS REALLY EXHAUSTED FROM SOME LONG RE-WRITE SESSIONS. AS SOON AS I WALKED UP TO THE SET, BILL AND LEONARD BLEW A SCENE, BUT THEY DID IT ON PURPOSE AND BEGAN ARGUING VERY VIOLENTLY. BILL WAS SHOUTING AT THE TOP OF HIS VOICE, "LEONARD! WHAT DO YOU MEAN SAYING THIS IS A D-7 KLINGON SHIP! IT'S A D-6!" LEONARD SHOUTED BACK, "NO, YOU IDIOT, THE D-6 HAS FOUR DOORS OVER HERE AND THE D-7 ONLY HAS TWO!" BILL IMMEDIATELY SHOUTED BACK, "NO, NO, NO—IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND. YOU'VE GOT IT ALL WRONG."
WHILE ALL OF THIS IS GOING ON, I'M STANDING THERE, BEGINNING TO GET FRUSTRATED, WATCHING THE MINUTES TICK BY AND MENTALLY COUNTING THE MONEY WE'RE LOSING IN EXPENSIVE CREW TIME, BECAUSE THE CAMERAS AREN'T ROLLING. AND AS THE ARGUMENT CONTINUED, I'M THINKING TO MYSELF, "WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT? THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR!" THEN I BEGAN THINKING THAT I SHOULD REMEMBER WHICH IS THE D-6 OR THE D-7. FINALLY I COULDN'T STAND IT ANY MORE, AND SO I WALKED IN BETWEEN THEM AND SAID, "COME ON, FELLOWS, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER. LET'S GET ON WITH THE SCENE." THEN THE WHOLE CREW BROKE UP LAUGHING. THIS WAS THEIR WAY OF SAYING TO ME, "HEY, TIME IS NOT THAT SERIOUS. RELAX A LITTLE."
Further, if one examines the occasions when the designation, having been taken up in the interim by fandom and eventually official reference books like the Okudas' Encyclopedia as being the "proper" name for the TOS design, came to be used in onscreen dialogue, one will find that in both prior cases of this, the corresponding visual representation exhibited differences to it. In "Trials and Tribble-ations" (DS9) Greg Jein had subtly updated the detailing of his repilca and it was lit or color-timed to appear green as Klingon ships had come to be portrayed since. In "Prophecy" (VGR) it was represented by a CGI model of the TMP re-design. It is of course obvious that in neither case was the deviation so great as here, but the fact remains that there can be seen something of a tradition that when the dialogue calls for a "D-7 battlecruiser" it's always a "wrong" updated design rather than the "truly" "historically-accurate" one that we actually get.
I think it's likely that people working on DSC are familiar with all of this, and probably knew that among detail-oreinted fans, i.e. those who would care, surely some would see it as a callous "middle finger to visual continuity" and fall into paroxysms which ironically both mirror Shatner and Nimoy's original put-on and simultaneously miss or invert its aim...and others might see it as a knowing metatextual in-joke that encapsulates in microcosm the divides among fandom over "visual continuity" that were always sure to be exposed in the reactions to the show as a whole.
I too find the Klingon design in DSC strikingly similar to that of Into Darkness—which seems to me to also have incorporated the secondary nostrils—although they've clearly gone further with the stylization of the features in the new show, particularly the exaggerated elongation of the head in back. They aren't the same, but that seems to be where they started from in the process of updating the overall Klingon design. And considering it was their most recent appearance, that's only natural.
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