It is interesting to note that the very people who are calling you on this are the same who complain that people no longer have manners.
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It is interesting to note that the very people who are calling you on this are the same who complain that people no longer have manners.
There you go again. Just because people disagree with you that does not make them cynical or bitter. All it makes them is people who disagree with you. You are not sole judge of who is and is not either.
It is interesting to note that the very people who are calling you on this are the same who complain that people no longer have manners.
Not sure I get what you're getting at here. I'm not complaining about anything, least of all that people no longer have manners.
I use public transport at least twice a day. Trust me, there are a million problems more urgent than whether able-bodied people give up their seats for other able-bodied people.
People have every right to disagree with me. Just as I have ever right to hold the opinion that they're cynical, bitter people with no manners.
You have the right to be utterly wrong, sure.
I've always wanted to print up shirts for the elderly which say "Ha ha, you have to stand."
After someone offers their seat, they'd sit down and unzip their jacket.
After someone offers their seat, they'd sit down and unzip their jacket.
Considering you're basing such an opinion on people not giving up seats on public transportation to others simply because that other person happens to be female then you won't mind if I don't put much stock in your opinions.
Of course, that'd be the last time the person standing up would ever do it.
Exactly.
Personally, I think "cynical" is better defined by someone cynically giving up their seat because they think it will get them somewhere.
I went ang got groceries today, I was walking with a couple large bags. I recently sprained/twisted my ankle so I'm walking with a bit of a favor.
If I used public transportation would people be expected to give up a seat for me?
If I used public transportation would people be expected to give up a seat for me?
Outdated? Perhaps. Nonsense? Since when is a kind act, regardless of which gender performs it, automatically dismissed as nonsense?
I don't *expect* any man to open doors, give up seats or spread his cloak over puddles so my dainty feet will stay dry but I *do* appreciate it when the first two are offered, cloaks being unfortunately out of style at the moment. I hold doors for whoever happens to be nearby and I find that men appreciate it as much as women do, simply because it's a nice thing. And if I'm on an airport tram and somebody offers his seat, I'll usually decline but they certainly get my thanks for the offer.
Anybody, woman or man, who would throw a kindness in the face of the one who offers it deserves to be told just how rude they are in no uncertain terms.
I think perhaps this quote from Robert A. Heinlein bears repeating:
Jan
Expected? Apparently not, these days. Bet you'd appreciate it if they did, though, wouldn't you?
Jan
None of this has been regardless of gender. The original post specifically refers to men giving up a seat on public transport to women.
I hold doors open, sure, and other people do it for me. The difference is that they aren't doing it just because I'm a guy. That's what you're all not getting. Doing things because it's a nice thing to do or it's polite is one thing. Doing things because the person you're doing them for is a woman is another.
More likely they'd just laugh. 'Cause that's the usual response to something funny.
You know that isn't what we're saying.
I'm not sure he or anyone else advocating giving up their seat for women does quite understand what we're saying.
Still practicing selective reading I see. I've said it a few times already: I don't do it to get somewhere, I do it because its the polite thing to do. The fact that you don't understand that proves my point.
It doesn't seem like it. The argument against us is that we're all bitter losers who never do polite things, when we simply refuse to do polite things based on if the stranger has boobs or not.
Oh, and I've stopped saying "God Bless You" too. It was a stupid tradition, so I stopped.
I understand your attempt at proving your point very well. You still have not explained why, in 2009, women should get preferential treatment on public transport. Your version of politeness is not an answer. You've had six pages to do it and you've still failed.
All you've done is throw accusations of cynicism and bitterness at people who disagree with you and then throw your apparent success with women in the face of another poster.
You can't come up with a good reason for doing it other than some vague recollection of a tradition which others have already shown you is based not on politeness but demonstrating your value as a potential suitor to the father of a woman you're interested in. You're following a tradition without even understanding it.
I would never expect a man to give up his seat for me. I'm able bodied, for the most part, and don't wear heels, so there's no reason I can't stand.
For the elderly, disabled, a pregnant woman, or even someone carrying a heavy object, I would certainly offer them my seat without hesitation.
I doubt any woman these days would expect a man to automatically offer his place to her, although it's always a nice gesture. It's something you should do for anyone in need, just to be a decent human being.
For the elderly, disabled, a pregnant woman, or even someone carrying a heavy object, I would certainly offer them my seat without hesitation.
I doubt any woman these days would expect a man to automatically offer his place to her, although it's always a nice gesture. It's something you should do for anyone in need, just to be a decent human being.
I think we're all making different arguments here. You guys say that women shouldn't get preferential treatment. I agree. It should not be compulsory to let a woman have your seat. However, it is a nice thing to do. It's coming across from your side that you don't like the idea of being nice, although I think you're just trying to make the point that you souldn't be expected to treat girls differently just because they're girls. In which case, yeah, I see your point. So because we all think we mean something else, the debate continues.
In the long run I think we all agree. Maybe.
In the long run I think we all agree. Maybe.
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