"Children of Dune" miniseries

[Michael Chris]

Yes, according to a Variety article on March 17.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117982560.html?categoryid=13&cs=1&query=dune+peter+berg

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

But wasn't the screenwriter of Dune and Children going to be an Exec producer?

Yes, according to a Variety article on March 17.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117982560.html?categoryid=13&cs=1&query=dune+peter+berg

John Harrison was the writer and director of the first mini, and writer for the second. He doesn't look to be involved, only the producer Richard Rubienstien. I didn't have a problem with Harrison's adaptation in terms of the teleplay, but his direction on the first mini wasn't all that great. Too operatic and not in a good way, especially in the scenes involving the Harkonnens -- the angled Batman ('60s) villain lair shot.

 

[Michael Chris]

Yeah, now that I reread that, I'm not sure if they are referring to Mike Messina and John Harrison as the new producers or the former producers. It implies that they are on the new film as well, but all that I can really tell is that Variety needs better writers.

 

[Broccoli]

But wasn't the screenwriter of Dune and Children going to be an Exec producer?

Yes, according to a Variety article on March 17.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117982560.html?categoryid=13&cs=1&query=dune+peter+berg

John Harrison was the writer and director of the first mini, and writer for the second. He doesn't look to be involved, only the producer Richard Rubienstien. I didn't have a problem with Harrison's adaptation in terms of the teleplay, but his direction on the first mini wasn't all that great. Too operatic and not in a good way, especially in the scenes involving the Harkonnens -- the angled Batman ('60s) villain lair shot.

Well...the bad guys were crooked, so....

 

[Harvey]

Yeah, now that I reread that, I'm not sure if they are referring to Mike Messina and John Harrison as the new producers or the former producers. It implies that they are on the new film as well, but all that I can really tell is that Variety needs better writers.

What I read is that Harrison and Messina are executive producing, but who really knows? I hope Harrison gets a stab at the script. I thought his work adapting the first three books was pretty strong at getting at the essentials of the story, while dropping the unnecessary fat (i.e. the Usul name).

 

[Anwar]

Yeah, what was the point of Usul anyways? So that the Harkonnens wouldn't know that the new Fremen leader was Paul until he let them know? He dropped Usul after Dune anyways and was just "Paul Mua'Dib" from then on.

 

[Marc]

Yeah, what was the point of Usul anyways? So that the Harkonnens wouldn't know that the new Fremen leader was Paul until he let them know? He dropped Usul after Dune anyways and was just "Paul Mua'Dib" from then on.

Usal was given to Paul as his Sietch name - only to be used by those closest to him and it's part of Fremen culture.

 

[Harvey]

^^
And in the book it was an interesting extra layer to the world. But in the film version(s), where any adaptation is already struggling against time constraints, it becomes an easy element to be rid of (and helps make the narrative less confusing). Why it was retained in Lynch's version (but so many other elements were lost) I do not know.

 

[S. Gomez]

^I remember noticing that in Lynch's version (which I will never watch again as long as I breathe) as well. Also the extraordinarily speedy and abrupt way in which he was accepted into Fremen society with barely a breath after downing a warrior or two.

 

[Marc]

^I remember noticing that in Lynch's version (which I will never watch again as long as I breathe) as well. Also the extraordinarily speedy and abrupt way in which he was accepted into Fremen society with barely a breath after downing a warrior or two.

Even in the book it's pretty quick.

Don't forget the Bene Gesserit has prepared things, the messages from the Shadot Mapes so they were halfway there.

Stilgar and his tribe are unsure about Paul (Jessica as a BG has the easy way though she still has to use a couple of tricks) then Paul kills Jamis and demonstrates his fight skills and that's pretty much it.

Irrc Herbert doesn't really go through Pauls rise to leadership and we have even have a 2 year jump.

 

[Reverend]

Giving water to the dead helped allot too. Still, his acceptance wasn't instantly unanimous; in the book he had to fight and kill several challengers. I think even Chani killed some she felt weren't even worth his time.

 

[S. Gomez]

^I remember noticing that in Lynch's version (which I will never watch again as long as I breathe) as well. Also the extraordinarily speedy and abrupt way in which he was accepted into Fremen society with barely a breath after downing a warrior or two.

Even in the book it's pretty quick.

It still doesn't take three seconds. Literally, that's what it is in the Lynch movie. Just one of many, many misfires that film had. (I apologize if it's your favourite version. )

 

[Hyperspace05]

Lynch's movie is like "Dune's greatest hits'... nice individual scenes, but no attempt to string into a consistent plot. If you haven't read the book, you are lost.

 

[Reverend]

^I remember noticing that in Lynch's version (which I will never watch again as long as I breathe) as well. Also the extraordinarily speedy and abrupt way in which he was accepted into Fremen society with barely a breath after downing a warrior or two.

Even in the book it's pretty quick.

It still doesn't take three seconds. Literally, that's what it is in the Lynch movie. Just one of many, many misfires that film had. (I apologize if it's your favourite version. )

It is a shame they didn't touch on Paul's integration more as, as I mentioned it wasn't so smooth in the book. As far as the initial meeting with Stilgar and the Fremen goes; Paul did have to dual Jamis to the death and after that he effectively took Jamis's place (including his wife, children and coffee service.) I'm sure others in the troop didn't fully trust him but keep in mind that Stilgar is the leader of a Siech and what he says goes. On top of that Fremen are extremly pragmatic and they all saw Jessica kick Stilgar's arse without so much as breaking a sweat, so on that alone she had value beyond the water in her body. Besides, they all wanted to get back home and out of the open desert, so a long term decision about Paul and Jessica could at least wait until then.
In the film they just skipped ahead two years so you didn't get any of this.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

I thought the miniseries versions of Dune & Children of Dune did a good job of capturing the intricacies of the plots. However, I never had any sense of rising action or climax or where this is all going.

I prefer the David Lynch movie because it makes for a better, more epic story. Things build quite well to the Fremen invasion of the capital city and Paul's duel with Feyd. Plus, I love all the scenery chewing in the Lynch movie, especially Sting bellowing out, "I will kill him!"

 

[Hyperspace05]

I thought the miniseries versions of Dune & Children of Dune did a good job of capturing the intricacies of the plots. However, I never had any sense of rising action or climax or where this is all going.

I prefer the David Lynch movie because it makes for a better, more epic story. Things build quite well to the Fremen invasion of the capital city and Paul's duel with Feyd. Plus, I love all the scenery chewing in the Lynch movie, especially Sting bellowing out, "I will kill him!"

The main problem is still that the movie makes no sense if you haven't read the books. It certainly did not for me at the time, although I appreciated the funky world that Lynch had created. (I did not read the books until years later) But as a storytelling vehicle it is pretty much a failure.

The mini-series certainly had the opposite of failures... so they compliment each other I guess.

But the COD mini-series did strike the perfect balance, I think.

 

[Reverend]

I think the Lynch move makes SOME sense, since I saw it before I read the book. In fact seeing it made me want to read the book. Mind you, both the book and film took several tries before I made it all the way through. Make of that what you will.

 

[The Wormhole]

The ending of the Lynch movie makes no sense whatsoever. Why the hell does Paul make it rain, thus killing all the worms and destroying the spice after he wins the fight?

 

[Marc]

The ending of the Lynch movie makes no sense whatsoever. Why the hell does Paul make it rain, thus killing all the worms and destroying the spice after he wins the fight?

As said above there''s no indication that it rained outside of Arakeen so the worms in the desert would of been fine.

plus if you read the books, the Fremen planned for an a full ecological system on Arakis which would of entailled rain but would do it so that the worms would be safe in the deep desert.

Or would could just b/s that in the Lynch film there's no mention of the effect of water on the worms so they aren't in danger of the rain (which was probably to show the Paul's power seeing as the powers of Kwisatz Haderach are rather nebulous in the film).

 

[Reverend]

As said above there''s no indication that it rained outside of Arakeen so the worms in the desert would of been fine.

So that huge ocean wave we saw was what exactly? Regardless, just making Paul into that kind of hocus pocus god didn't make any sense whatsoever.