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Chase Masterson speaks candidly about DS9 and Catsuits

Dusty Ayres said:
Seven didn't dress up in a Starfleet uniform because she wasn't in Starfleet. She was given 'special officer' status (like Kes & Neelix) by Janeway. Also, the suit was specially made to help regenerate her skin and body after she was de-Borgified-she'd been a Borg for a long time. Plus, the Borg armor that she was wearing was as just as much a catsuit as what she wore after. BFDSFW. :rolleyes:
Surely you realise those are bullshit "in-story" excuses they came up with to justify putting her in a skin-tight body suit?

Otherwise, how come Icheb, Mezoti and the twins weren't put in spangly silver body suits too?

You speak as if silver lame is the only available alternative to a regular duty uniform, which your own examples of Neelix and Kes disprove.
 
KitchenWitch said:
^ Despite what she wore, the simple fact is that Seven was not written nor portrayed as a bimbo.

Correctamondo, Kitchen Witch! Anything else is just more Trekfan bitching.
 
She was involved in the new Robotech movie by the way.

She plays the voice of Janice Em, an android created from a fusion of Terran and alien technology.
 
The catsuit issue has nothing to do with how the character is portrayed, but the fact that the "outfit" caters to the lowest common denominator unnecessarily and reduces the dimension of the character outwith the actor's protrayal.

The in-story explanations are bullshit. Leeta was a dabo girl; I expect her to look a certain way given the context. The way that 7 of 9 and T'Pol were dressed had nothing to do with their characters and was unnecessary, period.
 
Robotech Master said:
She was involved in the new Robotech movie by the way.

She plays the voice of Janice Em, an android created from a fusion of Terran and alien technology.
Yes, I just bought and saw the DVD, and I have to say, she was great in the role of Janice.

BTW, wasn't Janice supposed to be a friend of Lynn Minmei, and didn't she also sing at the wedding of Rick Hunter & Lisa Hayes?
 
CaptainSpock said:
The catsuit issue has nothing to do with how the character is portrayed, but the fact that the "outfit" caters to the lowest common denominator unnecessarily and reduces the dimension of the character outwith the actor's protrayal.

The issue has everything to do with how the character is written and portrayed.

To quote Chase, again:

Where do I begin on this? It seems that some characters, including Seven of Nine and T'Pol, were written for those reasons. I agree with the fans' sentiments that it seems that this kind of writing is done in order to appeal to the lowest common denominator; that happens on a lot of shows, but I don't believe it needs to, and it definitely shouldn't have to happen on Trek. There's so much more to focus on, and the fans of this show recognize that. I wish this industry generally respected viewers more, but a lot of people in this business don’t even respect themselves.

I didn't watch every episode of Voyager & Enterprise, and maybe there were some really redeeming qualities in those characters and their arcs, so I don't want to say I have a really solid take on this subject where those characters are concerned.

I didn't watch Enterprise, so have no idea what T'Pol was like, but Seven certainly was no bimbo, and had other qualities to her character and story than a catsuit.

An interesting observation, take it or leave it: In the Misc forum, I've seen many complaints/rants about people who would judge others by what they wear. If someone dresses like a bum, it doesn't mean they are a bum. If someone dresses like a dweeb, it doesn't mean they are. There are a lot of impassioned comments about not taking people at face value.

So why take characters at face value?

If Seven had been written and played as a bimbo or a slut, the complaints would be justified. She wasn't, so while the character may *look* like she's catering to the lowest common denominator, she wasn't.

And I daresay that those of us who are willing to look past the costume to the *character* are using a bit more brain power than those who claim we're the "lowest common denominator" give us credit for.

Also note that Chase admits she has no idea what the characters' arcs were, so includes the disclaimer that she could be talking out her ass.
 
Dusty Ayres said:
KitchenWitch said:
^ Despite what she wore, the simple fact is that Seven was not written nor portrayed as a bimbo.

Correctamondo, Kitchen Witch! Anything else is just more Trekfan bitching.

Noooo....

Actually, it's called 'a difference of opinion.' And 'differences of opinion' are generally what make up 'discussion' on a DISCUSSION board such as this.

So I think we can dispense with the accusations.

Thanks.
 
KitchenWitch said: I didn't watch Enterprise, so have no idea what T'Pol was like, but Seven certainly was no bimbo, and had other qualities to her character and story than a catsuit.

Valid points both, but which in no way obviate the fact that she was wearing a catsuit---which is entirely unprofessional and inappopriate attire for the bridge of a starship, where discipline is a necessity and unnecessary distraction something to be avoided.

An interesting observation, take it or leave it: In the Misc forum, I've seen many complaints/rants about people who would judge others by what they wear. If someone dresses like a bum, it doesn't mean they are a bum. If someone dresses like a dweeb, it doesn't mean they are. There are a lot of impassioned comments about not taking people at face value.

Let us extend your analogy slightly: If someone dresses like a slut, it doesn't mean they are. Like it or not, admit it or not, it does, however, mean that they're dressed like a slut. One does not don fishnets, FMPs, garters and a minidress to conduct business in which you expect to be taken seriously and regarded with respect.

[Of course, I'm also the guy that cheered when Jellico told Troi, then in her guise as Counselor Boobs, that he required a certain formality on the bridge, and requested that she wear a standard uniform while on duty.]

So why take characters at face value?

That's a false dilemma, since it's not an all or nothing issue. One can take exception to certain aspects of a character's portrayal, including their attire, without condemning him or her out of hand. Seven of Nine was a nuanced and intriguing character. That in no way legitimizes the catsuit into which Ryan was crammed. Calling her "36 of D," a common ... ahem ... catcall some years ago, might have been a bit cruel, but it addressed the point rather tellingly.

T'Pol's catsuit was, in my opinion, even less justified. Vulcans are as a rule rather a staid and conservative race, and all Trek established that they're quite deliberate and dogged in the attempt to suppress their emotions. It's inconsistent to don provocative attire, considering their philosophical stance.

If Seven had been written and played as a bimbo or a slut, the complaints would be justified. She wasn't, so while the character may *look* like she's catering to the lowest common denominator, she wasn't.

The complaints are justified either way, whether or not you choose to acknowledge that. Granted that just because something appeals to the "lowest common denominator" does not mean that is its sole or even primary appeal. On the other hand, just because a character has numerous redeeming and admirable traits does not mean there aren't places for improvement in conception and execution.

And I daresay that those of us who are willing to look past the costume to the *character* are using a bit more brain power than those who claim we're the "lowest common denominator" give us credit for.

I for one have not disparaged your intelligence, nor do I intend to do so.

One can reasonably argue, though, that the objective observer would not look past appearances to a character's perceived core, but would instead take into account all aspects, including dress, before drawing a conclusion.

Again, one may have a difference of opinion on the propriety of a catsuit without necessarily being a prude or Puritan.
 
^ Indeed one may.

But once again, I go back to Chase's assertion that Seven was *written* to appeal to the "LCD"--she wasn't. There was nothing stupid nor slutty about the character, and she was, as you yourself not "nuanced and intriguing."

She may have been *costumed* to appeal to a specific demographic, but she was not *written* that way.
 
KitchenWitch said: She may have been *costumed* to appeal to a specific demographic, but she was not *written* that way.

On that we're agreed. :thumbsup:

Chase did a lot of qualifying in her comments, which was prudent. I think these people are put on the spot a lot, and that it's difficult to have rabid fans poring over their every word. I say stupid stuff every day; fortunately, there are no sound bites of me doing so. :D
 
I think they could have gone with a happy medium with Seven and T'Pol. They were very attractively dressed in "Twilight" and "Workforce," but they still looked classy and professional.
 
And to be honest, I do not see the appeal of a catsuit.

Then maybe your perspective on this is limited.

Actually, Chase was saying a revealing costume doesn't make a character lowest-common-denominator. She didn't seem to have a problem with her own.

When a male actor has a form-fitting costume, no one has a problem with it.

Baggy black coveralls as a Star Fleet uniform are an over-reaction, I think. No one complained about Kira's suit in the later seasons, and Visitor liked it. Most of the one-piece suits over the years, on men and women (Next Gen had both) were usually pretty striking, and for me, the stupid, crass sex for ratings stuff began with those decontaminations on Enterprise.
 
Dusty Ayres said:
Robotech Master said:
She was involved in the new Robotech movie by the way.

She plays the voice of Janice Em, an android created from a fusion of Terran and alien technology.
Yes, I just bought and saw the DVD, and I have to say, she was great in the role of Janice.

BTW, wasn't Janice supposed to be a friend of Lynn Minmei, and didn't she also sing at the wedding of Rick Hunter & Lisa Hayes?

Yeah, there's a bit of backstory there... which isn't really relevant to the new movie but kind of interesting nevertheless.

The Janice Em character was originally created for Robotech II: The Sentinels... the ill-fated sequel to Robotech.

She was Minmei's singing partner and friend. During the launch of the SDF-3, the two of them were caught up in the jump from Earth and ended up joining the Sentinels and the REF on their adventures to liberate the quadrant from the Invid Regent.

Janice Em 'died' trying to stop T.R. Edwards, the principal protagonist of the Sentinels series.

However, it was recently revealed in new Robotech comics that Janice Em downloaded part of her memory/consciousness to a new android body that Dr. Emil Lang was building, in coordination with the Haydonites.

So the new Janice Em is an android, a hybrid of different technologies. How much of her old memories still remain is unknown.
 
UnknownSample said: When a male actor has a form-fitting costume, no one has a problem with it.

Still, there's "form-fitting," and then there's religion revealing. :devil:

It is acceptable within the bounds of professionalism to wear attire that flatters, or even to a certain extent accentuates, the figure. That which exposes, enhances or otherwise unnecessarily draws attention to it is a step or two beyond propriety.
 
UnknownSample said:
When a male actor has a form-fitting costume, no one has a problem with it.

Er, I sorta do! Let me quote Earthican President Richard M. Nixon's Head when I say "I didn't live a thousand years just to stare at another man's gizmo!" Okay, I haven't lived a thousand years myself, but the sentiment is perfectly valid.

On the original topic, I have always agreed with the assessment that the catsuits worn by Seven and T'Pol were completely out of character. I also agree with the assessment that both actresses were cast mostly because they were absolutely SMOKIN' HAWT. However, I have to disagree with Chase's assertion that both characters were written specifically to sexify the shows - both Seven and T'Pol were written as smart, assertive, confident, professional people, with no bimboish or slutty characteristics other than their peculiar modes of dress. And both actresses, fortunately, had the talent to bring some great depth and breadth to their characters, too.

Leeta, on the other hand, WAS specifically written to sexify the show - she was a Dabo girl, a paid hostess whose job was to fawn over Quark's gaming customers and distract them from their game play, making it more likely that the customers would lose (Quark explained this to Leeta in an episode, but I forget the name or season). Leeta had to, by definition, be a hot woman with a friendly and flirtatious personality - not nessecarilly a bimbo or a slut, but definitely flirty - or else Quark wouldn't have hired her for the job.

I always got the distinct impression that Quark would pimp out his Dabo girls in a heartbeat if it weren't illegal; after all, holosuites notwithstanding, there would likely be plenty of people out there who would pay good money for an encounter with a real person, not a holosim.
 
Cyke101 said:
Yeah, Leeta was one of the few truly innocent characters on DS9. She may have been a ditz, but she was inherently a warm person, unlike many other ditzes in pop fiction.

I speak of her as if she died :)

Anyway, kudos to Chase.

Yes, good interview.

But I had zero interest in the Leeta character...though she was eye-candy (one of the very few on Trek lol).
 
WillCAD said:
...a Dabo girl, a paid hostess whose job was to fawn over Quark's gaming customers and distract them from their game play, making it more likely that the customers would lose (Quark explained this to Leeta in an episode, but I forget the name or season).
You may be thinking of Mardah, Jake's "older woman" girlfriend from [The Abandoned.
 
Heads up everyone,

Trekdom will be asking a similar question to Robert Picardo tomorrow. He'll tell us how he felt about seeing Jennifer Lien go, and whether he agrees with the "LCD" interpretation of 7of9.

Stay tuned...
 
Leela, to me, had a more compelling story and a wonderful arc. There was LCD moments on DS9 but...makes me wonder about Voyager. I mean, why wasn't Kes prancing around in a uniform like Seven? And Seven's character seemed stiff and dull.
 
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