Charlie Evans Explained

[Starborn Dragon]

I apologize for this new thread, but I did some searching for a full hour and couldn't find the other thread on this subject.

There was a question of why Charlie Evans wanted Yeoman Rand so bad. I just finished watching the episode and I believe this exchange, when Yeoman Rand tries to introduce him to Tina:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]RAND: Oh, Charlie. I was looking for you. I'd like you to meet Tina Lawton, Yeoman Third Class. Charlie Evans.
TINA: Hello, Charlie.
RAND: I thought you might enjoy meeting someone your own age.
CHARLIE: Can I talk to you, alone.
RAND: Charlie, Tina's
TINA: Excuse me. I must be wanted somewhere.
RAND: That was, that was rude and completely uncalled-for.
CHARLIE: But I don't need her. I want to talk to you.
RAND: That's no excuse. You'd better learn that right now. You have to live with people, Charlie. You're not alone anymore.

CHARLIE: But she's not as. She doesn't. She's not the same. Not like you. She's, she's just a girl. You're, you smell like a girl. All the other girls on the ship they, they look just like Tina. You're the only one who looks like you. You can understand, can't you? You know about being with somebody? Wanting to be? If I had the whole universe I'd give it to you. When I see you, I feel like I'm hungry all over. Hungry. Do you know how that feels?

In short, he didn't like the people on the Antares because they were terrified of him and and they all pretty much treated him poorly.

Tina reminded him of them. So he didn't like her.

Yeoman Rand was a woman, and she was the first woman to show him any attention and the first to be nice to him.

And even in this modern age, girls and women tend to be cruel to guys they don't like.

You know, this is one episode I wish they could've followed up on. I would've like to see if he developed into a mature, considerate, ethical kind of man or not.

So that's my ten cents worth.

Again, apologies for starting a new thread on the subject.

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[scotpens]

I think Charlie developed a crush on Yeoman Rand just because she was (a) attractive and (b) the first human female he'd ever seen. Sort of like newly hatched ducklings imprinting on the first large moving object they see, which is normally the mama duck.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

You know, this is one episode I wish they could've followed up on. I would've like to see if he developed into a mature, considerate, ethical kind of man or not.

He was 17, and emotionally underdeveloped for human society, even at the end, when he was apologetic (triggered by fear of being taken away) about his actions. So, you are sort of left with two outcomes: if he changes, then what place would he have among humans, unless the Thasians stripped him of the power?

If he's reformed, he just becomes a John Q. Public. If he is not ethical, then there's a chance he becomes an unrepentant megalomaniac, and we already witnessed that with Gary Mitchell and Trelane, and there's no many avenues for handling people of that ability/mind, other than a negative reaction. In other words, been there, done that.

 

[johnnybear]

The Thasians couldn't take away his power. Their spokesman said that on the bridge of the Enterprise! They said it saved his life in the first place!
JB

 

[Christopher]

I apologize for this new thread, but I did some searching for a full hour and couldn't find the other thread on this subject.

I wonder why. I typed "Charlie Evans" into the search field for this forum, and it was the fourth one on the list:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=10911784#post10911784

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

The Thasians couldn't take away his power. Their spokesman said that on the bridge of the Enterprise! They said it saved his life in the first place!
JB

The OP is talking about a follow up, and in sci-fi, that one line could be forgotten with the ease of blinking, if the change serves the story.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The Thasians couldn't take away his power.

Which is odd, when you think about it. They can GIVE him the power, but not remove it?

 

[The Old Mixer]

RAND: Oh, Charlie. I was looking for you. I'd like you to meet Tina Lawton, Yeoman Third Class. Charlie Evans.
TINA: Hello, Charlie.
RAND: I thought you might enjoy meeting someone your own age.
CHARLIE: Can I talk to you, alone.
RAND: Charlie, Tina's
TINA: Excuse me. I must be wanted somewhere.
RAND: That was, that was rude and completely uncalled-for.
CHARLIE: But I don't need her. I want to talk to you.
RAND: That's no excuse. You'd better learn that right now. You have to live with people, Charlie. You're not alone anymore.

CHARLIE: But she's not as. She doesn't. She's not the same. Not like you. She's, she's just a girl. You're, you smell like a girl. All the other girls on the ship they, they look just like Tina. You're the only one who looks like you. You can understand, can't you? You know about being with somebody? Wanting to be? If I had the whole universe I'd give it to you. When I see you, I feel like I'm hungry all over. Hungry. Do you know how that feels?

I'm not sure where you're getting an Antares connection from that. But that last passage pretty much describes what it's like for a hormonal young man to be completely infatuated with a specific woman. He has eyes for nobody else, whatever their qualities. Whatever caused Charlie to become infatuated with Janice, to him, nobody else was in her league.

 

[Starborn Dragon]

RAND: Oh, Charlie. I was looking for you. I'd like you to meet Tina Lawton, Yeoman Third Class. Charlie Evans.
TINA: Hello, Charlie.
RAND: I thought you might enjoy meeting someone your own age.
CHARLIE: Can I talk to you, alone.
RAND: Charlie, Tina's
TINA: Excuse me. I must be wanted somewhere.
RAND: That was, that was rude and completely uncalled-for.
CHARLIE: But I don't need her. I want to talk to you.
RAND: That's no excuse. You'd better learn that right now. You have to live with people, Charlie. You're not alone anymore.

CHARLIE: But she's not as. She doesn't. She's not the same. Not like you. She's, she's just a girl. You're, you smell like a girl. All the other girls on the ship they, they look just like Tina. You're the only one who looks like you. You can understand, can't you? You know about being with somebody? Wanting to be? If I had the whole universe I'd give it to you. When I see you, I feel like I'm hungry all over. Hungry. Do you know how that feels?

I'm not sure where you're getting an Antares connection from that. But that last passage pretty much describes what it's like for a hormonal young man to be completely infatuated with a specific woman. He has eyes for nobody else, whatever their qualities. Whatever caused Charlie to become infatuated with Janice, to him, nobody else was in her league.

Where he says all the other girls on that ship, how he forced the men of the Antares to lie and say nothing but good things, then the destruction when they attempted to warn the Captain about him.

While those are not very detailed, they do strongly imply how charlie w2as with the crew of the Antares.

Otherwise, if he had a pleasant time, I don't see why they would try to warn kirk or why he would blow them up.

 

[Starborn Dragon]

I apologize for this new thread, but I did some searching for a full hour and couldn't find the other thread on this subject.

I wonder why. I typed "Charlie Evans" into the search field for this forum, and it was the fourth one on the list:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=10911784#post10911784

I guess my search terms weren't close enough or I might have misspelled them.

I suck at searching.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Where he says all the other girls on that ship, how he forced the men of the Antares to lie and say nothing but good things, then the destruction when they attempted to warn the Captain about him.

While those are not very detailed, they do strongly imply how charlie w2as with the crew of the Antares.

Otherwise, if he had a pleasant time, I don't see why they would try to warn kirk or why he would blow them up.

Still not seeing a connection between the two subjects in the dialogue. What I do see is a spot-on description of a young male's infatuation with somebody, which males in real life have experienced without there being an Antares situation involved.

 

[Keith1701]

You have some points.

 

[Use of Time]

I don't see how Tina reminded him of the people on the Antares. In fact she seemed disappointed he wasn't interested in her.

 

[LadyT'Anna]

I don't see how Tina reminded him of the people on the Antares. In fact she seemed disappointed he wasn't interested in her.

I understood from the context of "Charlie X" that Tina was younger than Janice. Perhaps there were multiple women on the Antares' crew, all of whom were nearer Tina's age than Janice's.

 

[OpenMaw]

Given Charlie's reaction in the transporter room I don't think there were any women on the Antares.

 

[Poltargyst]

Charlie had to be told that yes, Janice is a woman.