Changes: Post Count, Policy Updates, TNZ and a New mod

Discussion in 'Announcements' started by Trekaholic, Oct 16, 2001.

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  1. Trekaholic

    Trekaholic Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    It's about time that the administration cracked down on all this community crap. This board is about Star Trek, it is not about making friends and hanging out. It you coddle these kind of people by rewarding them with rank they will only keep coming back. THANK YOU!!

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  2. Captain J

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    thank you. Good policy choices, all of them.

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  3. Guest

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    I may not agree 100% with all these new policies, but I will abide by them 100%. I am just glad that SOMETHING has been done. All in all, good job.

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  4. Further

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    The only good policy change in all that is the signatures policy. I always thought it was really stupid for people to have signatures longer than their posts.
     
  5. Guest

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    Everything is good but the post count for the Neutal zone [​IMG].
     
  6. Guest

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    Better than a pokey thing in the eye...

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  7. Guest

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    Ok, fess up, you waited 'til Monday deliberately... [​IMG] (I can tell because my post count still exactly matches my last week's total)

    Next week should be interesting, no?

    Josh
     
  8. Reaperman

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    Except of course that the Trek Fora are the most boring ones of the lot. How many times do we need to see topics discussing the merits of the 'Akira' class starship, or the 'Steamrunner' class, or any other class thats been seen only once on DS9 (usually for a split second, before being destroyed).

    Hell, I for one, don't even know what either the Akira or Steamrunner class look like, and I really dont care. I have only ever posted a handfull of replys in the Trek fora, and then only to topics that are slightly different from the usual run of the mill threads.

    Personally, I would have liked to have seen Christian take a back seat in the running of the board. I know the site belongs to him, but he seems to have his hands full keeping the server operational, and running the rest of the TrekNation site. He certainly doesn't seem to realise the trouble with the trolls that are already here. DEA found a way to effectively ban Slaurus and Che Guevara permenantly, within the rules of the board, but it appears that Christian has backed down from this position, and they'll be welcomed back fairly soon. Does he think they will have changed? I, for one, doubt that they have.

    The irony of this position, is that Christian himself gave the infamous Red Quacker an 'illegal' lifetime ban. Red Quacker posted for a while at Trek Talk, and intimated that there had been some previous bad blood between himeslf and Christian, for which he was shouted down. Now I wonder if there was a grain of truth in his statements.

    I do agree that the new policy will deter the trolls from coming here, but I fail to see how it deals with the ones we already have. And has for the word 'illegal' when used within the context of this board, what does it actually mean? Are there any legal reasond why undesirables can't just be banned, or does it just refer to the rules of the board? If it's the latter, why not just change the rules? After all, isn't that whats happening now.

    I agree with the policy on double usernames. That particular habit is very annoying, to say the least.

    Now, on to the thorny subject of post count.

    If post count dosen't matter, why do we continue with it? Once someone reaches 100 posts, they can post anything anywhere (within the boundaries of the rules). Why not just stop at 100 for everyone?

    And, as the mod and admins are so keen to point out, if the post count is really meaningless past 100, why havent they all volunteered to have their counts reduced to that number? You really should lead by example boys and girls. Unlees, of course, the post count does matter to you. In that case, why shouldnt it matter to everyone else?

    Now to the ranking structure.

    This pretty much ties in with the post count issue. If we want to continue with having rank, then there are really two options.

    The first is to tie it to post count. However, if your going to do that, your going to have to reinstate post count in all fora, not just the trek ones. Your always going to have people who are obsessed with the idea of rank, and all that they will do is post multiple threads on similar topics in the Trek fora. It happens in ENT (though for different reasons), and I'm sure it will happen elsewhere.

    Second option is to tie rank with time on the board. I actually would prefer this option, as I've found that you soon form friendships with those who joined about the same time as yourself, especially if you post in the lounges much (as I do).

    There is a third option, and that is to remove the rank system altogether. Have only 4 differing distinctions, which could be

    • Junior Member with 0-99 posts
    • Member with 100+ posts
    • Moderator
    • Administrator

    Pesonnaly, I like the rank structure. It's just a bit of fun, and adds character to the board.

    This would leave the question of what to do about the lounges. I know that these are unpopular with some people, but they do serve a function. I've found that they are ideal places to discuss matters not really suited for any other fora with a few members, rather than posting it all in Misc, where many topics get swamped fairly quickly. They also take some of the strain from Misc, as closing the lounges would not stop the topics being opened in the first place.

    So, if the rank system does ever disappear, why not theme the lounges. For example, have one for some of the story threads that get started (should please Kitty if no one else).

    I know this has been a long post, but I honestly believe that the new policy is full of half measures, and does discriminate aginst those of us who aren't really that interested in the Trek Fora. I know it's a Trek board, but most of us do have other interests, and some of the other fora do address those interests.

    And toughen up on the troll policy. No more hand wringing about 'illegal' bans. This is a privately owned board, operated for the benefit of those members who want to contribute to it. Change the rules, so that the Admins can take whatever action neccesary to deal with the problems. Don't punish the majority of us who just want to enjoy ourselves.
     
  9. Guest

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    Having barely cleared these gestapoistic restrictions, I still don't give a flying **** about rank. Give us custom ranks, and let us have these in addition to our sigs so we can look slightly more indivudual
     
  10. Jethro Elvis

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    So speaketh the Master Satirist...(well said, Trek.

    At the risk of repeating myself and sounding like a crybaby, I will say again:

    What I think is so funny about this is that it implies that the posts in trek related forums have more value than the ones in misc, etc. That is hilarious.
    The most intelligent discussions around here, by far, are found in TNZ (along with the most unintelligent ones). The most entertaining are found in Misc. (along with the most idiotic).

    But there is as much useless crap in the trek related forums as there is anywhere else.

    As far as policy goes, this addition to policy is illogical, ill-conceived and assinine. It smacks of politics at its worst.

    Yer Pal,
    Jethro (in the past week I have 1 post in trek related fora) Elvis

    p.s. Reaperman, that was a piss-poor wraitheleven imitation.

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  11. Guest

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    I'd like to know where I can read the new policies regarding the lounges. If someone can direct me to it, I would be most appreciative.

    Also, I will briefly comment that I have no personal objections to many of the new policies. I do have problems with the new posting rules, and their applicability in the Lounges and in Miscellaneous. Further, I would like to have seen some redress for the barriers put in place inside the Lounges. I've been saying it for a month: 10-Forward directly implies openness. Establishing restrictive lounges does not accommodate this spirit.
     
  12. label

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    Agreed. It's an obvious smack in the face to the the TNZ occupants - essentially saying "your posts aren't contributing to this board." This comes from being entiterly to disconnected from what's going on in the forums.




    No, it smacks of them telling you exactly what they want you to post, where and about what. This is the part I don't understand. After almost 2 years, I've debated about every Star Trek topic I wanted to debate. Barring any new events such as episodes/movies, I have no desire to rehash topics that I've already debated 10 times before.

    In short, this policy is attempting to make you "get back on track with Trek talk" and as an adult I find it comtemptable that we are being prodded to talk about certain topics. If I wanted to talk about Trek, I would....I don't need a policy pushing me to do so.


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  13. Reaperman

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    Lisa, Lisa I've been flamed. [​IMG]

    Actually, wraitheleven just does an exceptional Reaperman impression. Better than the original, some say.




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  14. dmcco01

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    Thanks for doing something to try and rein this place in. These measures don't keep anyone from posting in Misc. or TNZ to hang out or get to know people. It just might change the motivation of some. I believe that unless you're hung up on rank, these changes should be virtually transparent.
     
  15. Trekaholic

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    Was that in the Who's hotter T'Pol or Seven of Nine thread? Who'd you say?
     
  16. John Sullivan

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    Ah! NOW I know what "The Lounge" is that Liz was talking about ... oh ... about 6 months ago.

    But the board is about Star Trek. Given the panic of the news (more people will die from influenza this year than anthrax ... believe me!) do you think Star Trek will take the show down a line where the crew, following a pit stop at Rigel 10, will catch the dreaded Rigelian Fever?
     
  17. Guest

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    It was time that the revolution bore some fruit and Martial Law was imposed.

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  18. Teelie

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    Since when did post count matter, or ranks? Answer: Never so everyone stop whining over how they are being unfairly treated since their poor post count isn't going to go up anymore.

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  19. Guest

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    I don't see the point of regulated TNZ. Don't get me wrong - but you are basically say that it doesn't matter (by not allowing posts to count) and then saying it's important (important enough to require a moderator). No offense to plm or LizardLaugh, but isn't the idea of the Nuetral Zone that it isn't regulated? Hell, why not just label it Misc. II?

    Look, the rest are good ideas, and hey, I do care about rank. I am not going to throw it away for no good reason. If the majority does it, I'll consider it. So, I'd be fine with stopping the post count if it applied to the whole board, but it doesn't.

    [gets off soapbox]
     
  20. Guest

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    How will you judge if a post is relevant or not?

    And the signatures, a signature which is offensive for someone will not, for others, so what will you define as offensive, is my signature's offensive?

    TNZ: "Discussions or conduct that so transcend normal patterns of behaviour in the TNZ community that they fundamentally offend or endanger the TrekBBS"
    iiiii, what does that really mean?

    I think that some of the new changes in the policy are more confuse than an EULA from Microsoft. But if that make the server faster, and you don't need anymore to activate the infamous flood control, so I'm with you. [​IMG]


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