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Champion of the Gods

ZapBrannigan

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Here's how I rank the Big Boys of TOS in a contest of powers:

1. Trelane - He can do pretty much anything, except stay up past nine pm. Just one notch below the Q Continuum, and they don't figure in TOS.

2. Gary Mitchell - He was well on his way to Trelane-like powers, and could be stopped by nothing less than another of his own kind.

3. The Organians - We don't know "what all" they can do, but they overcame two opposing fleets of battle cruisers without batting an eye. Plus points for being pure energy beings.

4. The Vians - They can transport an entire planetary population to another solar system all at once, or at least all in a very short time. That requires some kind of vast power. They come in behind the Organians only for being corporal humanoids and thus presumably less advanced.

5. The Metrons - They can stop two starships in space and immobilize them both, and prepare a field of battle, cleverly stocked with weapon-making materials, on a moment's notice. And they claim to be immensely ahead of us in general.

6. Charlie Evans - He has powers somewhat like Gary Mitchell, but they are borrowed and not growing in strength. I think the Vians could give him some pretty serious gas pains with their Panasonic remote, and he'd cry Uncle.

7. Sargon - He can power-down the Enterprise, and claims to have powers we haven't seen. The whiff of near-supernatural powers puts him ahead of the rest of the list.

8. Balok - He can shut down the Enterprise remotely. He lost to Kirk but only purpose, by not using the big, honkin' Fesarious that was at his command all along.

9. Apollo - I figure that if Kirk could overcome Apollo by technological means, then Balok could do so quite easily.

10. (Tie) Landru, Vaal, the Triskellion Providers. Mere techno powers. They're a handful for Kirk, but one-on-one Apollo could probably "blow 'em up real good" before he tired. It's true that Kirk never overpowered the Triskellions, but their collar of obedience would not fit on Apollo's giant neck, and without it to hobble their opponents, they didn't look so tough.
 
Obviously this list is not in order, but I would put Mitchell ahead of Trelane, as Trelane needed his technology to do things Mitchell pulled off by mere will. Side question: Did the encounter with the Barrier "give" Mitchell his powers, or merely unlock them?

Make room somewhere on the list for that KARATE KID IN SPACE episode "Plato's Stepchildren."

By STAR TREK V Kirk had become jaded with gods.
 
Some of those you mentioned I would class was not so much "gods," but as people with advanced technology. As opposed to those with natural abilities.

Trelane's power wasn't simply reduced when Kirk shot out his little machine, they disappeared. Their reappearance later would probably be explain with his access to another machine (or the repair of the original). Even Trelane's parents could simply be people with machines of their own.

:)
 
^ Jealous, Mr. Spock? Since Vulcans are innately telepathic, you'd think the Barrier would have hit a Vulcan hardest, rather than some human who can only hit-and-miss at reading playing cards.

And naturally, a Vulcan would have handled god-like powers better, right?

"Ha! Finally beat you at chess, captain!"
 
Trelane's power wasn't simply reduced when Kirk shot out his little machine, they disappeared. Their reappearance later would probably be explain with his access to another machine (or the repair of the original).

Or then the "disappearance" could be part of his games. His very preceding act also involved seemingly ceding the game to Kirk (firing his own pistol at the ceiling), and that was as insincere as everything else he did.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Obviously this list is not in order, but I would put Mitchell ahead of Trelane, as Trelane needed his technology to do things Mitchell pulled off by mere will.

Trelane's power wasn't simply reduced when Kirk shot out his little machine, they disappeared. Their reappearance later would probably be explain with his access to another machine (or the repair of the original).
Or then the "disappearance" could be part of his games. His very preceding act also involved seemingly ceding the game to Kirk (firing his own pistol at the ceiling), and that was as insincere as everything else he did.

Timo Saloniemi


I think Trelane's mirror machine was just a prop because his parents are energy beings. Kirk was led to focus on it as part of what Trelane considered a fun psychodrama. If so, then pretending to be temporarily defeated and letting the landing party beam up was part of the game.

Trelane can chase down the Enterprise while driving a planet. You can't do that with a little machine a pistol shot can deactivate.
 
We could also argue that Trelane is one of those sorry little kids with spectacles the thickness of bottle bottoms, or with dental braces or even crutches... A less unfortunate young Trelaneite would not need mirrors!

Timo Saloniemi
 
Trelane lost his powers when the first machine was shot.

When he brought Kirk back again he even stated that this time his "apparatus was unbreakable" meaning he'd rebuilt it and put it somwhere safer.
 
Trelane lost his powers when the first machine was shot.

When he brought Kirk back again he even stated that this time his "apparatus was unbreakable" meaning he'd rebuilt it and put it somwhere safer.


When Trelane said his instrumentality was unbreakable, it seemed clear he was referring to the noose.

I still say he was an energy being playing games. The mechanical device that can be shot with a pistol was a way of making the game relate-able for Kirk.
 
Interesting, with that capability

AYELBORNE: As I stand here, I also stand upon the home planet of the Klingon Empire, and the home planet of your Federation, Captain. I'm putting a stop to this insane war.

I would have placed the Organians in the pole position.

Next, the Metrons because they had similar powers but it seemed confined only to their area of space.

Also, the Metron looked very Greek to me. Wouldn't be surprised if he was somehow related to Apollo and company. ;)

Too bad he didn't say "I caused the wind to withdraw from your sails", too. :lol:

Bob
 
Interesting, with that capability

AYELBORNE: As I stand here, I also stand upon the home planet of the Klingon Empire, and the home planet of your Federation, Captain. I'm putting a stop to this insane war.

I would have placed the Organians in the pole position.

Me too. Just like that they brought the Federation and the Klingon Empire to their knees without even breeaking into a sweat. They didn´t seem to be anywhere near the limit of their powers, who knows what they are capable of - but it easily surpasses what Trelane or Gary Mitchell could do.

Mario
 
They could just be full of hot air (in addition to being capable of heating it inside the range of an AU or two). Imagine the embarrassment of Kirk and Kor as they return to their respective superiors to report on why there is now galactic peace, only to find out that people are still dying in all the other fronts and nobody ever heard of these Organians!

Why aren't the Talosians included? They, too, could have their way with an orbiting starship, or people located lightyears away. They aren't credited with anything supernatural, but they are such masters of trickery that they should be - they created Hell easily enough...

Timo Saloniemi
 
They could just be full of hot air (in addition to being capable of heating it inside the range of an AU or two). Imagine the embarrassment of Kirk and Kor as they return to their respective superiors to report on why there is now galactic peace, only to find out that people are still dying in all the other fronts and nobody ever heard of these Organians!

From "The Trouble With Tribbles":

CHEKOV: Under terms of the Organian Peace Treaty, one side or the other must prove it can develop the planet most efficiently.
KIRK: And unfortunately, though the Klingons are brutal and aggressive, they are most efficient.

I think this suggests, that Ayelborne made a rather convincing impression on both the Federation and the Klingons, probably along the lines "You better negotiate a peace treaty, or we'll demobilize all your armed forces".

Why aren't the Talosians included?

Good question, I'd think they'd qualify, too.

Bob
 
I think this suggests, that Ayelborne made a rather convincing impression on both the Federation and the Klingons, probably along the lines "You better negotiate a peace treaty, or we'll demobilize all your armed forces".

It might suggest that - but then again, "Errand of Mercy" was very clear on the Organians not really caring about such things. For them, a war of mutual annihilation would be as good as or perhaps even preferable to a peace treaty...

For all we know, the treaty was named in memory of the world that both sides jointly bombarded to molten lava out of mutual hatred!

:p

Timo Saloniemi
 
Instrumentality was unbreakable, it seemed clear he was referring to the noose.

What?

I'm sorry but what? a god know calls a length of rope "instrumentality" must be pretty damn dumb.

I have no idea how you get that from the context of the episode.
 
Charlie X would really be the Thasians, and if his power was a just a taste of what they could do, they could do a lot. I'd rank them right there with Gary Mitchell, even higher maybe.

Left out of this list are the Providers. I'd rank them maybe just under the Metrons or maybe right there with them. They could pluck three crewman off the bridge from nearly 12 light years away (alright, 11.630), and also completely immobilize the Enterprise as well.

Then there's the Kalandan tech, capable of transporting starships huge distances, among other feats, but, oh well, no more Kalandans.
 
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