CGI Star Trek

[CDJ]

Being a newbie, I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed but I think a good CGI movie (think Final Fantasy-the Spirits Within) could be made about the period between STTMP and STTWOK, maybe a series of straight to dvd movies using the likenesses of the cast.....

 

[noknowes]

Being a newbie, I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed but I think a good CGI movie (think Final Fantasy-the Spirits Within) could be made about the period between STTMP and STTWOK, maybe a series of straight to dvd movies using the likenesses of the cast.....

NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CGI MOVIES SUCK

they look awful and fake.even tas animation is better then cgi

 

[nx1701g]

It's been suggested once or twice, but for a Titan movie instead. Personally I don't mind CGI films, but I don't think that they'll happen.

 

[darkshadow0001]

Being a newbie, I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed but I think a good CGI movie (think Final Fantasy-the Spirits Within) could be made about the period between STTMP and STTWOK, maybe a series of straight to dvd movies using the likenesses of the cast.....

I've brought it up before. I don't think a movie would work, but I think a CGI Star Trek TV series could. People have been asking for an new animated Star Trek series, why not do it CGI?

 

[votd]

I could see them doing it for nuTrek as it's currently in vogue; but probably not the older stuff.

 

[Ptrope]

Being a newbie, I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed but I think a good CGI movie (think Final Fantasy-the Spirits Within) could be made about the period between STTMP and STTWOK, maybe a series of straight to dvd movies using the likenesses of the cast.....

NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CGI MOVIES SUCK

they look awful and fake.even tas animation is better then cgi

Yeah, Up, The Incredibles, Cars, Finding Nemo, Toy Story and Wall-E were godawful pieces of crap! I can't believe anyone ever thought those were live-action movies - I mean, talking toys and fish and cars all look totally different from that in real life ...

What movies have you seen, anyway? Are you basing your "critique" on something like The Last Starfighter, which was cutting-edge at the time but now loses in comparison to the work Pixar and Dreamworks (although it's still pretty impressive!), along with a slew of other studios, have accomplished? Are you aware that most of the live-action movies you see are now significantly CGI?

The biggest barrier to Trek in CGI (btw, the new Abrams movie is probably more CGI than it is live-action; any scene where the cast are not up close is probably digital) is the same barrier that any CGI film with human beings encounters: creating a believable human being is exponentially more difficult than any other creature, machine or scene, because we are so unconsciously attuned to the little tics and subtleties that comprise human appearance and behavior.

That being said, I find it laughable that anyone would seriously think the animation in TAS is "better than CGI" - it's not even up to par with a lot of the conventional animation out there. TAS's strength was its stories, many of which are on par with the live-action series, despite being only 1/2 hour in length and tailored for a younger market.

If your sole approach is "CGI sucks," you're missing out on a lot of excellent movies.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

a series of straight to dvd movies using the likenesses of the cast.....

see this post from Temis the Vorta
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=3052778&postcount=7
and for discussion on a CGI Trek TV series
see this thread
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=95208

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I would love a full-out CGI remake of the animated series.

Actually, it wouldn't be a remake as such, since we could keep the original voice tracks and sound effects. Just re-do the visuals. Because, let's face it, the animation in TAS sucked.

 

[Ptrope]

^^

Slowly but surely, that's exactly what I'm trying to do as an experiment with Star Trek: Reanimated; I've chosen the animated episode "The Time Trap," and for now I'm gathering or building the sets and props needed to replace the cel animation with CGI, retaining the audio track of the show and syncing to the dialogue and action.

The Art of Star Trek: Reanimated - The Sequel!

 

[SFRabid]

If we can have Star Wars Clone Wars we can have Star Trek Wars Romulan Wars.

 

[nx1701g]

I honestly think they should do a CGI Titan series...

 

[Thelin]

^^

Slowly but surely, that's exactly what I'm trying to do as an experiment with Star Trek: Reanimated; I've chosen the animated episode "The Time Trap," and for now I'm gathering or building the sets and props needed to replace the cel animation with CGI, retaining the audio track of the show and syncing to the dialogue and action.

The Art of Star Trek: Reanimated - The Sequel!

As a fan of the animated series, I can say that sounds really awesome. I hope everything goes smoothly and I can't wait to see your results.

As for a modern CGI Trek series...it could work, but I don't think they should use any of the established crews or anything. Perhaps something entirely new would be interesting. But, truthfully, I don't think we'll get to see one anytime soon.

 

[noknowes]

Being a newbie, I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed but I think a good CGI movie (think Final Fantasy-the Spirits Within) could be made about the period between STTMP and STTWOK, maybe a series of straight to dvd movies using the likenesses of the cast.....

NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CGI MOVIES SUCK

they look awful and fake.even tas animation is better then cgi

Yeah, Up, The Incredibles, Cars, Finding Nemo, Toy Story and Wall-E were godawful pieces of crap! I can't believe anyone ever thought those were live-action movies - I mean, talking toys and fish and cars all look totally different from that in real life ...

What movies have you seen, anyway? Are you basing your "critique" on something like The Last Starfighter, which was cutting-edge at the time but now loses in comparison to the work Pixar and Dreamworks (although it's still pretty impressive!), along with a slew of other studios, have accomplished? Are you aware that most of the live-action movies you see are now significantly CGI?

The biggest barrier to Trek in CGI (btw, the new Abrams movie is probably more CGI than it is live-action; any scene where the cast are not up close is probably digital) is the same barrier that any CGI film with human beings encounters: creating a believable human being is exponentially more difficult than any other creature, machine or scene, because we are so unconsciously attuned to the little tics and subtleties that comprise human appearance and behavior.

That being said, I find it laughable that anyone would seriously think the animation in TAS is "better than CGI" - it's not even up to par with a lot of the conventional animation out there. TAS's strength was its stories, many of which are on par with the live-action series, despite being only 1/2 hour in length and tailored for a younger market.

If your sole approach is "CGI sucks," you're missing out on a lot of excellent movies.

i think you missed the point.

i have seen cgi movies with cgi characters and they just look unnatural stuck in limbo land of being neither animation,nether realistic and their plastic expressions just cannot compete with real actors.they also tend to be boring and bombastic.

normal animation is animation and not trying to be lifelike.


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[SilentP]

i think you missed the point.

i have seen cgi movies with cgi characters and they just look unnatural stuck in limbo land of being neither animation,nether realistic and their plastic expressions just cannot compete with real actors.

Care to name specific examples of dire cgi movies?

I'll give you that CGI movies that attempt to be lifelike as possible are likely going to be victim to Uncanny Valley, but there's CGI that can accept or decide that they won't be lifelike, and go for a more 'cartoonish' or freeform styles.

they also tend to be boring and bombastic.

You could have the same problem with animated voice actors or real actors.

normal animation is animation and not trying to be lifelike.

CGI isn't necessarily trying to be lifelike either, and is probably closer to another form of animation rather than having to be a complete replacement for real life.

 

[Ptrope]

NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CGI MOVIES SUCK

they look awful and fake.even tas animation is better then cgi

I think you missed the point.

There was no "point" there to miss - your statement was concise and exact: "CGI MOVIES SUCK"

i have seen cgi movies with cgi characters and they just look unnatural stuck in limbo land of being neither animation,nether realistic and their plastic expressions just cannot compete with real actors.they also tend to be boring and bombastic.

normal animation is animation and not trying to be lifelike.

Now, that's a different story from your previous post, and a lot of it I agree with - the "Uncanny Valley" still hasn't been hurdled to the extent that one can sustain a dramatic narrative, although there are instances in short animations that are surprisingly realistic. At this point, one needs to rely far too much on mocap to make it look anywhere close to 'right,' and even then, it's just not 'right enough' - films like The Polar Express and Beowulf are prime examples, although I think Davy Jones in Pirates of the Caribbean was done extremely well (and that had a lot of mocap in it, as well). If one has to mocap all of the actors in order to do them in CGI, why not just do them in live action?

I think you fail to make a distinction, though, in defining "CGI." I wouldn't say that films like The Incredibles - or Up, for that matter - have a problem with 'realistic' expressions and the subtleties needed to make them work, even though the character design is clearly artistic, rather than realistic. They're still "CGI," though, the same as Beowolf or Final Fantasy or the LOTR trilogy (Gollum and almost every non-human character).

A CGI Trek with a stylized approach - heck, even one based on the "Quogs," could probably work fine, though I think it would be more dramatic if the characters more closely approached humanity, say along the lines of The Incredibles. At that level, you're still talking about a level of realism that is little more than a 3D version of the classics from Disney, films that are generally accepted for being very expressive and believable. I'd be more than happy seeing something like that.

 

[Rob Grant]

Being a newbie, I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed but I think a good CGI movie (think Final Fantasy-the Spirits Within) could be made about the period between STTMP and STTWOK, maybe a series of straight to dvd movies using the likenesses of the cast.....

NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CGI MOVIES SUCK

they look awful and fake.even tas animation is better then cgi

Either
1. You havent seen FF:TSW
or
2. You are mental, and should therefore withdraw from this thread/forum/the internet/

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Slowly but surely, that's exactly what I'm trying to do as an experiment with Star Trek: Reanimated; I've chosen the animated episode "The Time Trap," and for now I'm gathering or building the sets and props needed to replace the cel animation with CGI, retaining the audio track of the show and syncing to the dialogue and action.

The Art of Star Trek: Reanimated - The Sequel!

I totally love the work you've done on that. I hope you get to do the entire series, or at least a completed episode. Now *that* is what Trek Animated should look like!

(Only one extremely MINOR nitpick, though: In Kor's quarters, there's a bed. And it's not the slab/shelf that Klingons usually sleep on. )

 

[noknowes]

i think you missed the point.

i have seen cgi movies with cgi characters and they just look unnatural stuck in limbo land of being neither animation,nether realistic and their plastic expressions just cannot compete with real actors.

Care to name specific examples of dire cgi movies?

Final Fantasy was really,really bad.The strange freaky attempts to ape human movements ,expressions,very bad.

When i saw it i was so freaked out i nearly threw a sickie.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

If we can have Star Wars Clone Wars we can have Star Trek Wars Romulan Wars.

SFRabid your idea goes against Gene Roddenberry's vision:

In the Star Trek universe...humans largely overcame many Earth-bound frailties and vices by the middle of the 22nd century, creating a quasi-utopian society where the central role is played not by money, but rather by the need for exploration and knowledge. Later, mankind united with some of the other sentient species of the galaxy, including the Vulcans, to form the United Federation of Planets.

from Wikipedia.

Shatner said it here in 1966 in this 1:12 Length video about the show:

human beings in jeopardy. sometimes other people.
Enterprise patrolling...dispensing of justice, supply, war, we are assigned any mission...

so SFRabid I don't wish for an entire series that consists of war. TV Trek dealt with science and exploring for much of it.

If this gets too detailed they will move it to Future of Trek forum so keep it general.

Star Trek feature films have used CGI since STII:TWOK in various aspects. STVI:TUC used CGI to show the Romulan blood in zero-G quite well. Trek TV has used it for ship exteriors for the past 4 series to some extent. Enterprise was completely CGI models for the entire series.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Being a newbie, I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed but I think a good CGI movie (think Final Fantasy-the Spirits Within) could be made about the period between STTMP and STTWOK, maybe a series of straight to dvd movies using the likenesses of the cast.....

NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CGI MOVIES SUCK

they look awful and fake.even tas animation is better then cgi

Either
1. You havent seen FF:TSW
or
2. You are mental, and should therefore withdraw from this thread/forum/the internet/

That's not really necessary. Discuss the post, not the poster.