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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Thanks for the kind words folks. Carlos and I will be chatting next week hopefully as well. Sorry I've been AFK for a while, my Dad passed away at the end of July and I've been focusing inwards on family since, finally peering back as TZ this week with the refreshed Spotlight series.

A little off topic, any thoughts on the new set and graphics? (During an interview with Trek Fan Productions, I worked out that I've produced 52 podcasts in three years... what's Alec done?)
The new sets and graphics look spiffy of course, but what you've always maintained is the level of professionalism, mixed with your unique interviewing style. There's also the wide range of guests you snag! All that makes it worth the wait for your next release
 
"It is a shame that the fan film community decided to turn against each other in this process because sticking together would have allowed us maybe to reach a better settlement."
— Axanar producer Alec Peters


Interesting comment from a guy who single-handedly did more to damage and cause division in the fan-film community than anyone in the last 50 years. After what he has done, throwing all other fan-films under the bus, does he really expect any fan-film to support him: seriously? It's mind-boggling to read these sort of comments; this guy is clearly delusional!
 
"It is a shame that the fan film community decided to turn against each other in this process because sticking together would have allowed us maybe to reach a better settlement."
— Axanar producer Alec Peters


Interesting comment from a guy who single-handedly did more to damage and cause division in the fan-film community than anyone in the last 50 years. After what he has done, throwing all other fan-films under the bus, does he really expect any fan-film to support him: seriously? It's mind-boggling to read these sort of comments; this guy is clearly delusional!
Hell, it's also assuming that everyone else's experience is identical to his own. And, no matter what you think of any of the players in this little drama, or the spectators thereto, that is rarely going to be the case.
 
Hope no one minds me doing this but I have quoted this message from another thread as it contains useful information.
I don't know if it should be posted here, but I thought this was interesting. Q&A for people who have donated to Axanar.

original link: http://www.axanarproductions.com/captains-log-jan-22nd-2017-a-couple-questions-answered/


Q: Since the Guidelines do not allow DVDs/Blu-Rays to be distributed, what happens to the ones promised as perks in the Kickstarter and Indiegogo?

A: Donors will get the DVD/Blu-rays as promised! All perks are allowed to be delivered after we complete making Axanar in the revised format.

Q: The Kickstarter and Indiegogo said you would deliver a 90 minute movie, but now you can only make 30 minutes of Star Trek Fan Film. What can the donors expect here?

A: While we’ll comply with the requirements of limiting our fan film to two 15 minute segments, there will be more content that we know our fans will love on the DVDs/Blu-Rays While Adhering to the settlement agreement – we will only post the two segments to YouTube – we want to do what we can to make Axanar fans happy and be as close as possible to what we said we would deliver.

Q: What will happen to the Vulcan Scene?

A: The Vulcan Scene will remain publicly available on YouTube, as well as being on the Axanar DVD/Blu-Ray.

If I understand this correctly, they will only release 2x 15 minutes of the film on youtube, but the people who donated and choose the blu-ray/DVD perk will receive the whole film. So that would mean that the film on the youtube channel will be incomplete?

It still sound like the extra sixty minutes on DVD is going to be extras, such as a making of documentary. My understanding of the guidelines is that it can only be 30 mins in total, regardless of how it is distributed. Maybe I misread it? Please correct me if I am wrong. Also it seems a little unfair that donors whose perk was a digital download (independent of YouTube) should not receive the extra 60 mins. I don't particularly care as I am not sure at this stage if I want to see 30 mins of Axanar, let alone 90 mins, but I can see a lot of donors being unhappy about the extra footage only being on DVD. Also if they want people to make private donations I suspect a lot of people might question whether they want to fund a movie that they can not possibly see in full because they had not previously selected the DVD perk.
 
"It is a shame that the fan film community decided to turn against each other in this process because sticking together would have allowed us maybe to reach a better settlement."
— Axanar producer Alec Peters


Interesting comment from a guy who single-handedly did more to damage and cause division in the fan-film community than anyone in the last 50 years. After what he has done, throwing all other fan-films under the bus, does he really expect any fan-film to support him: seriously? It's mind-boggling to read these sort of comments; this guy is clearly delusional!

He likes to play victim. It's his MO. The world is against him. He'll never admit to any wrongdoing publicly.
 
PUBLIC APPEAL FOR PRIVATE DONATIONS Is Axanar’s website publicly building a private email list as an end run around fundraising prohibited by the terms of its lawsuit settlement? Also, Alec Peters named a new financial reviewer who may face the same conflict of interest that prompted another reviewer to resign, and more details about the future of Axanar Lite. Read more »
^^^
In reading what they said about the what the 2X15 minute segments would entail, looks like I nailed it - Lol. if they're going to use all the stock footage shot years ago on the New Voyages sets, and unused VFX footage that Tobias Richter had already done (and that Alec already paid for); one has to wonder WHY he's needing further donations.
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/cbs-paramount-sues-to-stop-axanar.278077/page-1410#post-11900232

personally I also hope CBS/Paramount looks into their 'private fundraising' campaign as it appears pretty public to me (and remember the settlement isn't fully entered yet, and there's 51 days remaining for Axanar to 'finalize' the legal issues they spoke of relating to the final Settlement.
 
He likes to play victim. It's his MO. The world is against him. He'll never admit to any wrongdoing publicly.
I find it disingenuously dishonest of AP to project the blame onto others for his own decisions and actions. AP has treated CBS/P, fan film productions, fellow Trekkers, and his own donors with brazen contempt. AP also blew through 1.4+ million with nothing to show for it while lamenting over a lack of universal support.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
 
I find it disingenuously dishonest of AP to project the blame onto others for his own decisions and actions. AP has treated CBS/P, fan film productions, fellow Trekkers, and his own donors with brazen contempt. AP also blew through 1.4+ million with nothing to show for it while lamenting over a lack of universal support.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
You would expect less from the apocryphal bird of the galaxy?
Mwahahahaha.....
 
The new sets and graphics look spiffy of course, but what you've always maintained is the level of professionalism, mixed with your unique interviewing style. There's also the wide range of guests you snag! All that makes it worth the wait for your next release
Thanks mate :).

As for AP raising money, I'm sure there are some creditors and donors that need refunds... so he'll raise money to pay all that back I guess. Rather than getting a job like other people...
 
Thanks for the kind words folks. Carlos and I will be chatting next week hopefully as well. Sorry I've been AFK for a while, my Dad passed away at the end of July and I've been focusing inwards on family since, finally peering back as TZ this week with the refreshed Spotlight series.

A little off topic, any thoughts on the new set and graphics? (During an interview with Trek Fan Productions, I worked out that I've produced 52 podcasts in three years... what's Alec done?)

Glad you're able to come back to interviewing. You do hold space for the guests (waiting for them to give full answers), which is very welcome.

PUBLIC APPEAL FOR PRIVATE DONATIONS Is Axanar’s website publicly building a private email list as an end run around fundraising prohibited by the terms of its lawsuit settlement? Also, Alec Peters named a new financial reviewer who may face the same conflict of interest that prompted another reviewer to resign, and more details about the future of Axanar Lite. Read more »

So he is going to double down on "reusing crowdfunding donors is 'private' fundraising". I guess he will get away with it, but will he raise 100k after all this?

I still think this may provoke an amendment to the guidelines, since as noted previously, its just the arms race all over again. They should require those who do crowdfunding to only accept crowdfunding except for true rich uncles giving let say 10k or more. This would prevent rollover of most prior crowdfunding to later mailing lists, and be auditable.

"It is a shame that the fan film community decided to turn against each other in this process because sticking together would have allowed us maybe to reach a better settlement."
— Axanar producer Alec Peters


Interesting comment from a guy who single-handedly did more to damage and cause division in the fan-film community than anyone in the last 50 years. After what he has done, throwing all other fan-films under the bus, does he really expect any fan-film to support him: seriously? It's mind-boggling to read these sort of comments; this guy is clearly delusional!

Yes, for an adult handling millions of others' money, its fair to ask serious questions about why he can't behave towards others in a mature manner.

Sushi ain't cheap......heard he took a last minute trip to the UK over the weekend......I'm sure it wasn't in coach seating. Daddy likes to be pampered.

It would be wise for the donors to demand a dollar by dollar accounting, published to everyone, going forward from the date of the settlement. The money that's going to any settement, the fees paid to their own attorneys, any further money put into any studio infrastructure/carrying expense, and certainly any additional personal use of any resources.

Don't let them get away with getting any slush funds out of a vague statement that "nothing is left".

If there is any money in any place not accounted for in what was presented to the studios and which became public, it should be accounted for now, tracked, and not be free to spend invisibly or outside of the purpose of putting the story onto the film.

As for the studio, just 3 months of rent and utilities would burn through about half of his crowdfunding limit. Doubt donors are gonna tolerate 50% pay-for-Alec-owned-asset overhead at this point. And thats before any perk production and essential admin staff payments if any.

How will he have any money to actually dress the sets, do the costumes/makeup, pay actor expenses, pay any necessary professional help, etc, etc, if he is paying for the studio out of donations? He better have some big pocket real investors for his studio, separate from the Axanar project.
 
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At this stage, I believe it's nothing more complicated than he knows there are people out there that will give it to him. And there are.

That, and how's he gonna keep the facility open long enough and also pay for the production, at his rate of getting things done and his perception of legit "expenses"? Unless something has radically changed with how he works, or that other half million Terry has hinted at is actually in a slush fund somewhere, there's still a Wile E Coyote cliff in his near future.
 
Going on with what Carlos and others touched on regarding the appeal for donations, there's this little gem...........(that even court docs have refuted)

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He's walked away with a nice little way to make a profit though via the future studio....and some people still say it wasn't a scam?

That comes from Fan Film Factor - so I think it's probably his favorite Sock Puppet (Slow Lane) saying that. The more things change though, the more they stay the same (with regards to LFIM not being able to keep his damn stories straight)
 
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