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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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That only means those that predate them had no permission at all.
Yes, and it means that CBS will not object to what has already been produced or was currently in production.

And there was a very simple guideline in effect before: you're not supposed to make fan films at all.

Now they are saying that if you follow the guidelines as stated they promise you're likely safe. They DO NOT say you will automatically be stopped if you stray beyond the guidelines. The inference seems to be they will be watching how far one might stray beyond the guidelines.
 
SFdebris released a review of "Whom Gods Destroy" today. Despite all the Axanar controversy, I hadn't seen this episode since I was a kid. After watching, all I can say is...

...damn, Alec Peters playing Garth of Izar is REALLY f*cking appropriate. XD

(Review: http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/s071.php)

He even took a subtle pot shot at the controversy with Axanar. Chuck was on fire with this review.
 
Stuff like this is why I don't worry about Axanar somehow pulling off a miracle win at trial. (And again, I do not expect the case to make it to trial.) LFIM isn't going to come off as a persuasive, wronged fan. He's going to come off as the world's biggest Internet troll. And no jury wants to side with a troll.
I disagree. Alec Peters is holding on to 'Axanar' for dear life in that once this case is either settled or adjudicated, his 15 minutes are over.

To him, this is such a high profile situation in fandom circles, he probably thinks he'll NEVER be able to really pull something like this off again if he looses. Thus, he's going to take this thing to the bitter end - because I'm sure any settlement offer included that he stop taking pledges (meaning he can't keep making the living he has had over the past two plus years); and even if CBS/Paramount didn't require outright that he divest any interest he has in the for profit studio (and the lawsuit WAS also about his 'direct financial benefit using the C/P copyrighted Star Trek works'); he knows he wouldn't be able to maintain or make use of the studio (even for Propworx storage) because his revenue source would be gone, etc.

In fact it appears Alec is so paranoid about 'Prelude to Axanar' pubic status that he's now trying to claim Tommy Kraft is buying Youtube views for 'Star Trek Horizon' because IF 'Prelude to Axanar' is dethroned in any aspect, Alec Peters looses the ability to parade it as THE Star Trek fan film - loved by Star Trek fandom like no other project; and thus he's concerned of his situation being marginalized even sooner/faster.
 
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I disagree. Alec Peters is holding on to 'Axanar' for dear life in that once this case is either settled or adjudicated, his 15 minutes are over.

To him, this is such a high profile situation in fandom circles, he probably thinks he'll NEVER be able to really pull something like this off again if he looses. Thus, he's going to take this thing to the bitter end - because I'm sure any settlement offer included that he stop taking pledges (meaning he can't keep making the living he has had over the past two plus years); and even if CBS/Paramount didn't require outright that he divest any interest he has in the for profit studio (and the lawsuit WAS also about his 'direct financial benefit using the C/P copyrighted Star Trek works'); he knows he wouldn't be able to maintain or make use of the studio (even for Propworx storage) because his revenue source would be gone, etc.

in fact it appears Alec is so paranoid about 'Prelude to Axanar' pubic status that he's now trying to claim Tommy Kraft is buying Youtube views for 'Star Trek Horizon' because IF 'Prelude to Axanar' is dethroned in any aspect, Alec Peters looses the ability to parade it as THE Star Trek fan film - loved by Star Trek fandom like no other project; and thus he's concerned of his situation being marginalized even sooner/faster.
I believe AP has lost already, he's just too enamored in self-adoration and self-anointed status while being as mean as possible to admit it. Pretty much a handbook on what not to do if someone is researching how to make a fan film.
 
This must've been on the agenda at today's Federation Council meeting cuz now all the kids are spouting the completely unsupported allegation that Star Trek-Horizon is buying YouTube views to pull ahead of Prelude to Axanar. Stay classy, Axanar. The tweet:

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@mistymills @AxaMonitor @BurnettRM You would have to compare real stats not views that Horizon bought, like its 3m views for its trailer.
AP really has no loyalty to anyone but himself, does he? Tommy Kraft did some outstanding work, both on Prelude and Horizon. But if Horizon's views outdo Prelude? Nope, TK had to have bought them. No way anyone does better than LFIM without cheating. Not possible.

Alec must have spent some of that donor cash to buy his own bus. Very handy to have around. You know, to throw his "friends" under at the drop of a hat.
 
This must've been on the agenda at today's Federation Council meeting cuz now all the kids are spouting the completely unsupported allegation that Star Trek-Horizon is buying YouTube views to pull ahead of Prelude to Axanar. Stay classy, Axanar. The tweet:

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@mistymills @AxaMonitor @BurnettRM You would have to compare real stats not views that Horizon bought, like its 3m views for its trailer.

How's the discussion going? I've been blocked from Axanar's Twitter account for some time now.
 
In fact it appears Alec is so paranoid about 'Prelude to Axanar' pubic status that he's now trying to claim Tommy Kraft is buying Youtube views for 'Star Trek Horizon' because IF 'Prelude to Axanar' is dethroned in any aspect, Alec Peters looses the ability to parade it as THE Star Trek fan film - loved by Star Trek fandom like no other project; and thus he's concerned of his situation being marginalized even sooner/faster.

Except that he has no actual film, just an extended trailer. When you get right down to it, Axanar's popularity is a mirage. From what I've seen it was largely fueled by a core group of fans who rabidly disliked the Kelvin timeline films and were upset there hasn't been a new series since "Enterprise." But between the largely positive reaction to "Beyond" and the upcoming "Discovery" series, I imagine a lot of that fan-rage has dissipated. What you're left with are people who (a) don't want to admit they were conned and (b) people who simply define their fandon as hatred of the mainstream.
 
Quick question, to add a "view" to the numbers does each film require the user watch from start to finish? Or does simply starting it off count as a "view"?

I think 'Prelude' has a mahoosive advantage by being so much shorter that 'Horizon'. I haven't got time to sit through 'Horizon' today and yet I probably could fit a quick 'Prelude' in this afternoon should the mood take me (it won't but still). All this makes 'Horizon's performance all the more impressive. Casual YouTubers may well be put off by 'Horizon's run time but find 'Prelude's tempting.

And yet 'Horizon' is catching up....
 
Except that he has no actual film, just an extended trailer. When you get right down to it, Axanar's popularity is a mirage. From what I've seen it was largely fueled by a core group of fans who rabidly disliked the Kelvin timeline films and were upset there hasn't been a new series since "Enterprise." But between the largely positive reaction to "Beyond" and the upcoming "Discovery" series, I imagine a lot of that fan-rage has dissipated. What you're left with are people who (a) don't want to admit they were conned and (b) people who simply define their fandon as hatred of the mainstream.
'Prelude to Axanar' is a 23 minute short film and it's ALL Alec Peters has got. <-- That's the 'film' I was referring to And again, you're spot on in that with Alec Peters having driven all the professionals who were fans and who wanted and were willing to make the feature version of Axanar away - for two years he's been conducting a classic 'smoke and mirrors' campaign; thinking somehow he'd rope an BIG investor that would fund him and his for profit studio project - all the while claiming :

"I'm not in it for the money (like the suits at CBS/Paramount); for me it's 'Star Trek first', money second - just like Gene..."

Of course anyone who actually looks into Gene Roddenberry's history will know he was JUST as interested in making as MUCH MONEY as he could from STAR TREK; and was just as much a 'suit' in that regard as anyone currently at CBS/Paramount, but many fans have only heard the hype that somehow STAR TREK was a 'vision' GR had for humanity and he himself wasn't interested in money - just this 'vision' of a better world that he wanted everyone to see and believe in.
But of course anyone still buying into the above is either blind; or so upset that Paramount (as they see it) hasn't done anything they've liked - and is somehow just 'milking' the Star Trek brand for as much money as they can get - and the real 'gullible fans are those going to/paying for the Paramount films, and new CBS Star Trek content.

The sad thing is - Alec Peters is in fact a lot like the real Gene Roddenberry in that he's trying to squeeze every cent he can from Star Trek (like Gene did during his life); while pandering to the remaining die hards in Alec's pledge base; making them believe they're the smart ones; and everyone else is just jealous that Alec came up with a 'new way' to make/distribute Star Trek that fans want; and big/evil/corporate Paramount/CBS are blind and just out to protect the status quo.

Again, that is why I think:

- Alec Peters will never accept ANY Paramount/CBS settlement offer (although I doubt any more such offers are being made or remain on the table.)

- Will drag this out in Court (and as far up the Appellate chain as he can get); and for the remainder of his life will paint himself as the:

"One TRUE Star Trek fan who understood 'Gene's Vision''™ and tried to do the 'truest'™ version of Star Trek; and was supported by Star Trek fandom worldwide - but the evil/money-grubbing corporate suits won out due to unjust laws designed to promote the status quo..."

Personally though, I hope in the end he's only able to do so living out of the cardboard box he'll be living in after CBS/Paramount get the sizable civil and punitive monetary damages Judgement against him that they should when all is said and done.

This case truly is an example of what can happen when someone decides to really take advantage of an IP owner who for nearly two decades, let the fans do what they want as long as they didn't make money or openly and directly sell unlicensed IP merchandise.unlicensed merchandise.
 
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Quick question, to add a "view" to the numbers does each film require the user watch from start to finish? Or does simply starting it off count as a "view"?

I think 'Prelude' has a mahoosive advantage by being so much shorter that 'Horizon'. I haven't got time to sit through 'Horizon' today and yet I probably could fit a quick 'Prelude' in this afternoon should the mood take me (it won't but still). All this makes 'Horizon's performance all the more impressive. Casual YouTubers may well be put off by 'Horizon's run time but find 'Prelude's tempting.

And yet 'Horizon' is catching up....
Starting to view is sufficient for +1 view on YouTube. Testers have found as little as five seconds will trigger a 'view'. The runtime will put people off starting though, I imagine. Certainly I would be hesitant to start an hour plus video without prior knowledge of it.
 
That's a fair point about how liberating assumed knowledge is. Though if we're talking a 15-minute time limit (almost twice as long as "Time Crash"), there would be plenty of time for some barebones establishment of the universe.

Absolutely.

i think a better example of how the time limit isn't this horrible thing: look at the Pixar shorts. They are well under the limit. And they tell complete stories, often without dialogue, and totally original, i.e., not based on existing stories you would have already seen.
 
'...for the remainder of his life [Alec] will paint himself as the:
"One TRUE Star Trek fan who understood 'Gene's Vision''™ and tried to do the 'truest'™ version of Star Trek; and was support by Star Trek fandom worldwide - but the evil/money-grubbing corporate suits won out due to unjust laws designed to promote the status quo..."

I think if the case gets to summary judgment or court, it will document the multiple intentional cash grabs well enough that "true fans" will not be able to accept the project as part of "Gene's vision".
 
'Prelude to Axanar' is a 23 minute short film and it's ALL Alec Peters has got. <-- That's the 'film' I was referring to...

No, I understood what you meant. But I consider "Prelude" an extended trailer rather than a standalone short film. It was always a means towards an end.

Again, that why I think:

- Alec Peters will never accept ANY Paramount/CBS settlement offer (although I doubt any more such offers are being made or remain on the table.)

- Will drag this out in Court (and as far up the Appellate chain as he can get);

And it's important to note this could drag out at least another 2-3 years. If, as I expect, the judge grants C/P at least partial summary judgment, LFIM's last stand will be at the Ninth Circuit, and that process alone could eat up at least two years. Including a Hail Mary pitch to the Supreme Court, it may be 2020 before this litigation is dead and buried.
 
No, I understood what you meant. But I consider "Prelude" an extended trailer rather than a standalone short film. It was always a means towards an end.



And it's important to note this could drag out at least another 2-3 years. If, as I expect, the judge grants C/P at least partial summary judgment, LFIM's last stand will be at the Ninth Circuit, and that process alone could eat up at least two years. Including a Hail Mary pitch to the Supreme Court, it may be 2020 before this litigation is dead and buried.
Theoretically speaking (I'm not a lawyer), can the presiding Judge make a summary judgement against AP and W&S or does the case have to go to a jury as L&L requested?
 
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