CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[Earthrise]

No, I understood what you meant. But I consider "Prelude" an extended trailer rather than a standalone short film. It was always a means towards an end.

And it's important to note this could drag out at least another 2-3 years. If, as I expect, the judge grants C/P at least partial summary judgment, LFIM's last stand will be at the Ninth Circuit, and that process alone could eat up at least two years. Including a Hail Mary pitch to the Supreme Court, it may be 2020 before this litigation is dead and buried.

I don't see any way Peters can afford to keep this party running that long unless he plans to start another business to fund it. Also, I can't imagine he'll have much of a donor base after the new show comes out and Star Trek moves on.

Of course, I also couldn't imagine that he wouldn't roll over and give C/P whatever they wanted back in December/January so all I can really do is sit back with the popcorn and see what happens.

 

[dmac]

Absolutely.

i think a better example of how the time limit isn't this horrible thing: look at the Pixar shorts. They are well under the limit. And they tell complete stories, often without dialogue, and totally original, i.e., not based on existing stories you would have already seen.

Between 2006 - 2015 Pixar has spent approximately $1.56 billion in production costs, and roughly another $750 million in marketing and advertising, for a total of around $2.25 billion in expenses. With budgets like that a studio is delivering their well branded product to tens of millions viewers, I'm sure the finished production is the result of focus studies, worked and reworked until every frame is perfect.
Branding a product to become a household name is key, Pixar has established a quality level people have come to expect, barriers for access to distribution are reduced and the studio itself becomes a draw for talent to create future productions.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Between 2006 - 2015 Pixar has spent approximately $1.56 billion in production costs, and roughly another $750 million in marketing and advertising, for a total of around $2.25 billion in expenses. With budgets like that a studio is delivering their well branded product to tens of millions viewers, I sure the finished production is the result of focus studies, worked and reworked until every frame is perfect.
Branding a product to become a household name is key, Pixar has established a quality level people have come to expect, barriers for access to distribution are reduced and the studio itself becomes a draw for talent to create future productions.

Sure!
I'm not sure what that all has to do with the shorts shown prior to the feature movies--other than having talent.

 

[MikeH92467]

And it's important to note this could drag out at least another 2-3 years. If, as I expect, the judge grants C/P at least partial summary judgment, LFIM's last stand will be at the Ninth Circuit, and that process alone could eat up at least two years. Including a Hail Mary pitch to the Supreme Court, it may be 2020 before this litigation is dead and buried.

I can't see W&S or any other firm willing to go the pro bono route on a series of appeals. LFIM's ego may be unlimited, but his resources probably aren't.

 

[dmac]

Sure!
I'm not sure what that all has to do with the shorts shown prior to the feature movies--other than having talent.

A lot of wonderful fan film producers have put their best face on the guidelines. The 15/15 rule itself would only effect 3 of our last 40 productions. I have seen several short films that have been produced at a high level and sighted as an example that it's possible. Sure it's possible but requires talent, funds and practice.
Take STC or Phase II, they have done some awesome work and if they produced a 10 -15 minute vignette between each of their films, it probably would have gained nearly as much attention as their long version productions just because they were able to somewhat brand their productions and create a fan base.
As for myself, I discovered "Of Gods and Men" which opened this whole new world of fan films for me. I was like, "wait people do that?" and then went off to search for other fan films. After "In Harms Way" I was hooked.
Of course it would require Time Travel to discover if Star Trek Fan Films would ever draw the minor attention it does if the guidelines were in place back in 2006 and it's more than just the time limits. I doubt a Harlan Ellison is going to submit a fan film script with the restriction saying he can't even register his work. I doubt Of Gods and Men would have been the quality it was without the experience and appearance of top rated Star Trek actors.
I am sure fan films will continue at least until the next Peters comes along to exploit the IP holder for their own benefit.

 

[oswriter]

I can't see W&S or any other firm willing to go the pro bono route on a series of appeals. LFIM's ego may be unlimited, but his resources probably aren't.

The law firm may bow out, but it's possible a non-profit with an ideological interest in expanding the definition of "fair use" could pick up the case on appeal. This is why the Reason video was noteworthy: It serves as an advertisement to the public policy community that this may be a viable test case for any number of anti-IP causes.

 

[jespah]

The law firm may bow out, but it's possible a non-profit with an ideological interest in expanding the definition of "fair use" could pick up the case on appeal. This is why the Reason video was noteworthy: It serves as an advertisement to the public policy community that this may be a viable test case for any number of anti-IP causes.

And that might just end up being the Language Creation Society or the like.

 

[carlosp]

And that might just end up being the Language Creation Society or the like.

I don't think the Language folks have those kind of deep pockets. They themselves depended on pro bono representation and their interest in the case is of a very limited scope.

 

[Professor Zoom]

The law firm may bow out, but it's possible a non-profit with an ideological interest in expanding the definition of "fair use" could pick up the case on appeal. This is why the Reason video was noteworthy: It serves as an advertisement to the public policy community that this may be a viable test case for any number of anti-IP causes.

As a writer, I sort of immediately dislike any group that wants to dismantle copyright.

 

[jespah]

I don't think the Language folks have those kind of deep pockets. They themselves depended on pro bono representation and their interest in the case is of a very limited scope.

Probably. Huh. It might be as @oswriter is suggesting, that the fight (if it comes to that) would be more out of libertarian circles.

 

[Red Shirt]

I can't see W&S or any other firm willing to go the pro bono route on a series of appeals. LFIM's ego may be unlimited, but his resources probably aren't.

Selling percentages of Valkyrie Studios in exchange for services only goes so far.
Reminds me of The Producers movie.

 

[oswriter]

Probably. Huh. It might be as @oswriter is suggesting, that the fight (if it comes to that) would be more out of libertarian circles.

I don't have any specific intelligence, but I know from my prior experience dealing with libertarian groups that this is the type of case that might interest some of them. I even know some libertarians who think "the ends justify the means" when it comes to undermining copyright. They wouldn't have any scruples about backing someone with LFIM's track record.

 

[Red Shirt]

I don't have any specific intelligence, but I know from my prior experience dealing with libertarian groups that this is the type of case that might interest some of them. I even know some libertarians who think "the ends justify the means" when it comes to undermining copyright. They wouldn't have any scruples about backing someone with LFIM's track record.

Dishonest agendas makes strange bedfellows. What you're suggesting never occurred to me.

 

[dmac]

Dishonest agendas makes strange bedfellows. What you're suggesting never occurred to me.

Perhaps it just another GUILTY PLEASURE we've all heard about...LoL

 

[muCephi]

I don't have any specific intelligence, but I know from my prior experience dealing with libertarian groups that this is the type of case that might interest some of them. I even know some libertarians who think "the ends justify the means" when it comes to undermining copyright. They wouldn't have any scruples about backing someone with LFIM's track record.

It would be one way to remain in suspended animation wrt/ the donors coming along with their own lawsuit, as well as holding back damages from C/P. And thereby keep the studio asset in play in hopes of bootstrapping a major project that can buy their way out of the lawsuit(s).

Anything to get the pragmatic outcome of holding on to the studio and becoming an established presence in hollywood, if not in Trek itself.

 

[Professor Zoom]

I don't have any specific intelligence, but I know from my prior experience dealing with libertarian groups that this is the type of case that might interest some of them. I even know some libertarians who think "the ends justify the means" when it comes to undermining copyright. They wouldn't have any scruples about backing someone with LFIM's track record.

It seems strange to me that Libertarians would want to undermine copyright and loosen fair use. Wouldn't that basically allowing theft of property? I would think they would be all up in arms of someone stole property from them.

Come on, could you imagine Ayn Rand's reaction if someone, God foebid, made a film of her work without paying for it? Or a fan film of Atlad Shrugged?

 

[RedForman]

Axanar @mistymills @AxaMonitor @BurnettRM You would have to compare real stats not views that Horizon bought, like its 3m views for its trailer.​

(forgive the vulgarity.......)

To LFIM, RMB and any other acolyte who has bought into or otherwise believes Axanar's tripe......

https://twitter.com/swear_trek/status/759483004649635840

Axanar will get destroyed in court. As for the appeal, Ranahan along with the rest of W&S will have to take a giant leap off the deep end if they want to commit to seeing this all the way through (as others have mentioned, even if they want to see this through from an ideological standpoint, I don't think they or any other like minded jurists have deep enough pockets)

 

[oswriter]

It seems strange to me that Libertarians would want to undermine copyright and loosen fair use. Wouldn't that basically allowing theft of property? I would think they would be all up in arms of someone stole property from them.

Come on, could you imagine Ayn Rand's reaction if someone, God foebid, made a film of her work without paying for it? Or a fan film of Atlad Shrugged?

Some libertarians do not consider copyrights and patents to be "property."

But you brought up the case of Ayn Rand. Her followers absolutely support IP. They also generally consider themselves a separate group from libertarians. And yes, a case like this might set off an amusing side-fight between the two groups.

 

[jespah]

Axanar @mistymills @AxaMonitor @BurnettRM You would have to compare real stats not views that Horizon bought, like its 3m views for its trailer.​

(forgive the vulgarity.......)

To LFIM, RMB and any other acolyte who has bought into or otherwise believes Axanar's tripe......

https://twitter.com/swear_trek/status/759483004649635840

Axanar will get destroyed in court. As for the appeal, Ranahan along with the rest of W&S will have to take a giant leap off the deep end if they want to commit to seeing this all the way through (as others have mentioned, even if they want to see this through from an ideological standpoint, I don't think they or any other like minded jurists have deep enough pockets)

I always liked McCoy. Now I do even more.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Some libertarians do not consider copyrights and patents to be "property."

But you brought up the case of Ayn Rand. Her followers absolutely support IP. They also generally consider themselves a separate group from libertarians. And yes, a case like this might set off an amusing side-fight between the two groups.

Let them fight.