CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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I don't like the two Abrams films, but I'm actually excited for BEYOND. Many others actually feel that way too. It's not a stretch.
Nor, should the producers..........................Alec, I'm lookin' at you. Only quibble I have, Sarge about the actors, pros have to be pd guild minimum.Union rules AFAIK
The idea of fairness is very very subjective here. That's why these debates keep raging.
If Paying Tobias was okay, would it have been equally okay to raise 50 million and pay ILM?
Things were moving down a slippery slope even before Axanar started. I know I'm in the minority opinion on that one, but I think people just became way too used to the idea of single productions raising a series of ongoing six-figure crowdfunding campaigns. And I say that as a real genuine fan of Continues. But if something seems too good to be true, it usually is.
BTW, I haven't seen this photo from the fan-event yet. See if you can spot Waldo....
Interesting...he is the one who's face is showing, but the hands are out of the frame, so you cannot see his "salute"...or what the hands are actually doing...
#sleightofhand
...wonder what the finger configuration would be for an Infringement Salute?
As I have caught up on the last 20 pages or so, I keep thinking of the line the Borg Queen delivered in First Contact, about someone being the product of some kind of mind...what was the word?..."disrespectful"?, no...that wasn't it..."doubtful"?, "doltish"?, "demanding"?, "defiant"?...darn, none of those!...why can't I remember!?...um, "decent"!...oh, nononono that is certainly not it!..."defective"? hmmmm...close!...
Generally, it's not some "salary" or daily stipend that drives the cost of screen talent; its travel (airfare) and lodging and food for somewhere on the order of a week.
"Sure, I'll be your 'Captain Kirk.' Oh, I have to pay for my own plane ticket and a rent-a-car for the week and a room at the Best Western and all my own meals? This is looking to be pretty costly for me to do it for you. And if I take the gig, it's unlikely that I can do it episode after episode, year after year. You might have to replace me after my one stint. Let's just hope viewers are okay with a constant revolving door of actors playing each role. Nobody can really afford to do it more than once."
You only "need" the pro talent to get eyeballs and money through fundraising. The pro talent helps you attract more backers which gives you more money to get more pro talent (even if it's just travel expenses as Greg mentions). If you're not careful it becomes a feedback loop and you raise more money thus expand your goals thus you raise more money and round and round and round.
Some fanfilm makers have delusions of grandeur when even delusions of adequacy would be pushing it. The echo chamber of overpraising fellow fans is an easy one to get lost in. Axanar's hardly the first fan production to tout it's the spiritual successor of Star Trek when the studio/network/suits have lost their way, they've just taken this conceit a helluva lot farther.
Some fanfilm makers have delusions of grandeur when even delusions of adequacy would be pushing it. The echo chamber of overpraising fellow fans is an easy one to get lost in. Axanar's hardly the first fan production to tout it's the spiritual successor of Star Trek when the studio/network/suits have lost their way, they've just taken this conceit a helluva lot farther.
Which is why I said "no pay for time in front of the camera". Paying for travel and such isn't nearly as much as the quote by Tony Todd of $15K per day.
I looked up Renegades casting list. Nearly everyone on-camera is a professional actor. If all of them asked for $15K or even just $5K per day, plus expenses, it racks up pretty fast. That is no longer a fan-film.
I see that people have gotten hung up on the "guidelines" part of the minimal statement from CBS. All the statement said was that they are working on guidelines. Not that there will definitely be any, or what they might be.
The most important thing in that statement is that the lawsuit is not being dropped (implied), and is moving right on schedule with settlement talks.
Ms. Jespah has described it all in her blog:
The most important thing in that statement is that the lawsuit is not being dropped (implied), and is moving right on schedule with settlement talks.
Ms. Jespah has described it all in her blog:
Unless plaintiffs officially file to drop the suit it proceeds as scheduled, and makes it look like JJ was talking out his ass.
For "New Media" productions (Internet and video games and such), there is no SAG-AFTRA minimum (scale). SAG actors are allowed to work for as little pay as they want--unlike TV and movie productions. And there are guild pros throughout the industry of course, not just actors--WGA, DGA, and PGA, to name a couple.
It raises the question, though. If there's a Guild minimum for Producers, can it be paid?
I have it. Have not done more than skim it yet, but it is 28 pages long and contains a counterclaim and some images of tweets.
Yeah.
I gotta have breakfast and do some work I get paid for first. But the document is in my possession.
The words 'fair use', 'abandonment', and 'waiver' are in the answer.
More to follow ....
Yeah.
I gotta have breakfast and do some work I get paid for first. But the document is in my possession.
The words 'fair use', 'abandonment', and 'waiver' are in the answer.
More to follow ....
Ugh.
I wonder how this will play with spectacular stream of BS that came out of JJ's mouth Friday...........
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