No idea whether the people who have an opinion about Axanar are more likely to be pro or anti. But the people who don't know what the hell it is and don't care greatly outnumber the pro and anti fans.
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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That goes without saying.
When I bump into Lin or Abrams again at Bad Robot I'll be sure to tell them that at least one Trek message board is filled with folks who are against the production of Axanar, and they should be considerate of them before taking selfies with AP again.
If they ban funding of any kind then that effectively kills fan productions as we know them. The cost of making even something half decent will seriously curtail most efforts unless someone has deep pockets or generous like minded friends. They will be punishing people who have been playing fair all because of one jackass.
Not only will the makers of fan films be punished, but fans of the productions as well.
Not only will the makers of fan films be punished, but fans of the productions as well.
Someone named Reece Watkins posted the following on I Stand With Axanar,, which was re-ported to CBS Vs. Axanar:
I'm wondering how other fan-film projects would have a seat at the table if they're not being sued. But if there's another table, perhaps say for drafting up the guidelines, why would they not be allowed a chair??
"He never wanted it all for himself, he just wanted to do his part."
The detractors are now flailing about, while doggedly trying to cling onto delusions that Friday's announcement isn't a massive win for both sides of the suit, and that's sad. What's sadder still is the other fan films that decided to abandon support for Axanar to distance themselves front he fallout, not realizing that they gave up their seat at the bargaining table by doing so. The future of Trek fan films is now bright once again, thanks to the one man who wouldn't blink when faced with complete ruin -- Alec Peters.
That's all he ever wanted -- to make good stories for all the people who ever wished to boldly go with the Star Trek dream. He never wanted it all for himself, he just wanted to do his part. He advocated for all of the fan productions, even though he had personal issues with some of the individuals behind them. He advocated for ALL Star Trek, from The Cage through the 2009 reboot films.
This 50th anniversary year should be a celebration of Star Trek in all its myriad incarnations, in the diversity of every fan's imagination. To that end, I'm reaching out to all of those makers and watchers and extending an olive branch. Surely we can set aside our differences, and let The Federation be our model for our own federation of fans. So much negative energy could be channeled into constructive and artistic endeavors instead We don't have to have the same favorites, there's room enough for all. But surely the ruffled feathers can be smoothed, apologies extended and accepted, and everyone can step out of the void and back into the light of the stars that guide us ever upward.
That's all he ever wanted -- to make good stories for all the people who ever wished to boldly go with the Star Trek dream. He never wanted it all for himself, he just wanted to do his part. He advocated for all of the fan productions, even though he had personal issues with some of the individuals behind them. He advocated for ALL Star Trek, from The Cage through the 2009 reboot films.
This 50th anniversary year should be a celebration of Star Trek in all its myriad incarnations, in the diversity of every fan's imagination. To that end, I'm reaching out to all of those makers and watchers and extending an olive branch. Surely we can set aside our differences, and let The Federation be our model for our own federation of fans. So much negative energy could be channeled into constructive and artistic endeavors instead We don't have to have the same favorites, there's room enough for all. But surely the ruffled feathers can be smoothed, apologies extended and accepted, and everyone can step out of the void and back into the light of the stars that guide us ever upward.
I'm wondering how other fan-film projects would have a seat at the table if they're not being sued. But if there's another table, perhaps say for drafting up the guidelines, why would they not be allowed a chair??
"He never wanted it all for himself, he just wanted to do his part."
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Fucking doped to the gills, that one.Someone named Reece Watkins posted the following on A Stand With Axanar,, which was re-ported to CBS Vs. Axanar:
The detractors are now flailing about, while doggedly trying to cling onto delusions that Friday's announcement isn't a massive win for both sides of the suit, and that's sad. What's sadder still is the other fan films that decided to abandon support for Axanar to distance themselves front he fallout, not realizing that they gave up their seat at the bargaining table by doing so. The future of Trek fan films is now bright once again, thanks to the one man who wouldn't blink when faced with complete ruin -- Alec Peters.
That's all he ever wanted -- to make good stories for all the people who ever wished to boldly go with the Star Trek dream. He never wanted it all for himself, he just wanted to do his part. He advocated for all of the fan productions, even though he had personal issues with some of the individuals behind them. He advocated for ALL Star Trek, from The Cage through the 2009 reboot films.
This 50th anniversary year should be a celebration of Star Trek in all its myriad incarnations, in the diversity of every fan's imagination. To that end, I'm reaching out to all of those makers and watchers and extending an olive branch. Surely we can set aside our differences, and let The Federation be our model for our own federation of fans. So much negative energy could be channeled into constructive and artistic endeavors instead We don't have to have the same favorites, there's room enough for all. But surely the ruffled feathers can be smoothed, apologies extended and accepted, and everyone can step out of the void and back into the light of the stars that guide us ever upward.
I'm wondering how other fan-film projects would have a seat at the table if they're not being sued. But if there's another table, perhaps say for drafting up the guidelines, why would they not be allowed a chair??
"He never wanted it all for himself, he just wanted to do his part."
Someone named Reece Watkins posted the following on A Stand With Axanar,, which was re-ported to CBS Vs. Axanar:
The detractors are now flailing about, while doggedly trying to cling onto delusions that Friday's announcement isn't a massive win for both sides of the suit, and that's sad. What's sadder still is the other fan films that decided to abandon support for Axanar to distance themselves front he fallout, not realizing that they gave up their seat at the bargaining table by doing so. The future of Trek fan films is now bright once again, thanks to the one man who wouldn't blink when faced with complete ruin -- Alec Peters.
That's all he ever wanted -- to make good stories for all the people who ever wished to boldly go with the Star Trek dream. He never wanted it all for himself, he just wanted to do his part. He advocated for all of the fan productions, even though he had personal issues with some of the individuals behind them. He advocated for ALL Star Trek, from The Cage through the 2009 reboot films.
This 50th anniversary year should be a celebration of Star Trek in all its myriad incarnations, in the diversity of every fan's imagination. To that end, I'm reaching out to all of those makers and watchers and extending an olive branch. Surely we can set aside our differences, and let The Federation be our model for our own federation of fans. So much negative energy could be channeled into constructive and artistic endeavors instead We don't have to have the same favorites, there's room enough for all. But surely the ruffled feathers can be smoothed, apologies extended and accepted, and everyone can step out of the void and back into the light of the stars that guide us ever upward.
I'm wondering how other fan-film projects would have a seat at the table if they're not being sued. But if there's another table, perhaps say for drafting up the guidelines, why would they not be allowed a chair??
"He never wanted it all for himself, he just wanted to do his part."
The kool aid is strong with this one.
Bad Robot doesn't give two craps about CBS. It's clear they're mad about something.That goes without saying.
When I bump into Lin or Abrams again at Bad Robot I'll be sure to tell them that at least one Trek message board is filled with folks who are against the production of Axanar, and they should be considerate of them before taking selfies with AP again.
Dictate it??? They might as well own the thing or stop it completely.
Relax.
Someone named Reece Watkins posted the following on A Stand With Axanar,, which was re-ported to CBS Vs. Axanar:
The detractors are now flailing about, while doggedly trying to cling onto delusions that Friday's announcement isn't a massive win for both sides of the suit, and that's sad. What's sadder still is the other fan films that decided to abandon support for Axanar to distance themselves front he fallout, not realizing that they gave up their seat at the bargaining table by doing so. The future of Trek fan films is now bright once again, thanks to the one man who wouldn't blink when faced with complete ruin -- Alec Peters.
That's all he ever wanted -- to make good stories for all the people who ever wished to boldly go with the Star Trek dream. He never wanted it all for himself, he just wanted to do his part. He advocated for all of the fan productions, even though he had personal issues with some of the individuals behind them. He advocated for ALL Star Trek, from The Cage through the 2009 reboot films.
This 50th anniversary year should be a celebration of Star Trek in all its myriad incarnations, in the diversity of every fan's imagination. To that end, I'm reaching out to all of those makers and watchers and extending an olive branch. Surely we can set aside our differences, and let The Federation be our model for our own federation of fans. So much negative energy could be channeled into constructive and artistic endeavors instead We don't have to have the same favorites, there's room enough for all. But surely the ruffled feathers can be smoothed, apologies extended and accepted, and everyone can step out of the void and back into the light of the stars that guide us ever upward.
I'm wondering how other fan-film projects would have a seat at the table if they're not being sued. But if there's another table, perhaps say for drafting up the guidelines, why would they not be allowed a chair??
"He never wanted it all for himself, he just wanted to do his part."
This reminds me of when SNL's presidential debate sketches quote the candidates verbatim... because the writers have no hope of exceeding the real-life outlandishness. Nothing we say about this post could be funnier than the post itself.
Leave Alec aloneSomeone named Reece Watkins posted the following on A Stand With Axanar,, which was re-ported to CBS Vs. Axanar:
The detractors are now flailing about, while doggedly trying to cling onto delusions that Friday's announcement isn't a massive win for both sides of the suit, and that's sad. What's sadder still is the other fan films that decided to abandon support for Axanar to distance themselves front he fallout, not realizing that they gave up their seat at the bargaining table by doing so. The future of Trek fan films is now bright once again, thanks to the one man who wouldn't blink when faced with complete ruin -- Alec Peters.
That's all he ever wanted -- to make good stories for all the people who ever wished to boldly go with the Star Trek dream. He never wanted it all for himself, he just wanted to do his part. He advocated for all of the fan productions, even though he had personal issues with some of the individuals behind them. He advocated for ALL Star Trek, from The Cage through the 2009 reboot films.
This 50th anniversary year should be a celebration of Star Trek in all its myriad incarnations, in the diversity of every fan's imagination. To that end, I'm reaching out to all of those makers and watchers and extending an olive branch. Surely we can set aside our differences, and let The Federation be our model for our own federation of fans. So much negative energy could be channeled into constructive and artistic endeavors instead We don't have to have the same favorites, there's room enough for all. But surely the ruffled feathers can be smoothed, apologies extended and accepted, and everyone can step out of the void and back into the light of the stars that guide us ever upward.
I'm wondering how other fan-film projects would have a seat at the table if they're not being sued. But if there's another table, perhaps say for drafting up the guidelines, why would they not be allowed a chair??
"He never wanted it all for himself, he just wanted to do his part."
. You should be glad he walks the Earth. He's the 2nd coming (of Roddenberry). You should be glad he's martyring himself on the alter of Star Trek for you!Gimme a
break
Now there's Raktajino all over my computer screen from reading that.Someone named Reece Watkins posted the following on A Stand With Axanar,, which was re-ported to CBS Vs. Axanar:
The detractors are now flailing about, while doggedly trying to cling onto delusions that Friday's announcement isn't a massive win for both sides of the suit, and that's sad. What's sadder still is the other fan films that decided to abandon support for Axanar to distance themselves front he fallout, not realizing that they gave up their seat at the bargaining table by doing so. The future of Trek fan films is now bright once again, thanks to the one man who wouldn't blink when faced with complete ruin -- Alec Peters.
That's all he ever wanted -- to make good stories for all the people who ever wished to boldly go with the Star Trek dream. He never wanted it all for himself, he just wanted to do his part. He advocated for all of the fan productions, even though he had personal issues with some of the individuals behind them. He advocated for ALL Star Trek, from The Cage through the 2009 reboot films.
This 50th anniversary year should be a celebration of Star Trek in all its myriad incarnations, in the diversity of every fan's imagination. To that end, I'm reaching out to all of those makers and watchers and extending an olive branch. Surely we can set aside our differences, and let The Federation be our model for our own federation of fans. So much negative energy could be channeled into constructive and artistic endeavors instead We don't have to have the same favorites, there's room enough for all. But surely the ruffled feathers can be smoothed, apologies extended and accepted, and everyone can step out of the void and back into the light of the stars that guide us ever upward.
I'm wondering how other fan-film projects would have a seat at the table if they're not being sued. But if there's another table, perhaps say for drafting up the guidelines, why would they not be allowed a chair??
"He never wanted it all for himself, he just wanted to do his part."
Hey Reece Watkins, here's what your precious Alec Peters says about fan films:
AP isn't fighting the good fight for fans or for fan films, he's trying to save his own ass not giving a tinkers damn about anyone else.
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Has AP walked on water yet? Maybe that's going to be one of AP's big announcements soon.Leave Alec alone
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Y'know, on reflection, AP reminds me more of Donald Trump, than Jesus.
"I got the best movies. I know all the best Star Trek people. Axanar is gonna be yuuuge!"
"I got the best movies. I know all the best Star Trek people. Axanar is gonna be yuuuge!"
That goes without saying.
When I bump into Lin or Abrams again at Bad Robot I'll be sure to tell them that at least one Trek message board is filled with folks who are against the production of Axanar, and they should be considerate of them before taking selfies with AP again.
When you bump into them again I think you shouldn't characterize this board / thread as "against the making of Axanar" (the making of the film as a fan film is separable from the way the management has been conducted), or as unique ("there is one board") (opinions for and against the management of Axanar appear in both sides everywhere EXCEPT on the Axanar closed board, which bans dissent).
What I think you should tell them is that there are plenty of fans who look carefully at the way Axanar's business has been managed and have seriously negative opinions about a list of its conducts, mirroring and sometimes from personal experience amplifying on the content of the lawsuit.
Tell them that people out in the world looking at these specific conducts are very often concerned both for the future reputation consequences for people like Mr.s Abrams and Lin associating with this company, and for the consequences to fans if this company gets a foothold in Trek and inevitably continues with its unacceptable business conduct.
Tell them they can support fan films generally while still opposing the conduct of Axanar's management, it is not illogical, it is an accurate analysis.
Tell them to imagine a person like DeForest Kelley managing a fan film. Now tell them to imagine what the most total opposite of that could possibly be, and tell them they better look long and hard at what they want to be involved in.
Thanks.
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Maybe not.
Sorry, no offense intended.
Here's my worries about guidelines. The bell has been rung, Alec has shown people will take things right to the edge.
Make a guideline that they can't be more than 45 minutes? some one will make a 10 minute separate teaser, and then the 45 minute episode.
Make a guideline that you can't make a profit and only pay people with real expenses, Well then maybe the producer who draws no salary also doubles as the make up supervisor and draws a salary for that role.
Make a guideline that you can't crowd fund? The all of a sudden a costume maker holds a crowd fund and they donate the costumes to the production.
Can't have a donor store? Well what are you going to do if some of your donors got their donation money by selling some of their trek products?
Right now without guidelines, CBS can enforce the spirit of the law, and I worry with guidelines they'll be bound to the letter of the law and people will abuse them.
Make a guideline that they can't be more than 45 minutes? some one will make a 10 minute separate teaser, and then the 45 minute episode.
Make a guideline that you can't make a profit and only pay people with real expenses, Well then maybe the producer who draws no salary also doubles as the make up supervisor and draws a salary for that role.
Make a guideline that you can't crowd fund? The all of a sudden a costume maker holds a crowd fund and they donate the costumes to the production.
Can't have a donor store? Well what are you going to do if some of your donors got their donation money by selling some of their trek products?
Right now without guidelines, CBS can enforce the spirit of the law, and I worry with guidelines they'll be bound to the letter of the law and people will abuse them.
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