Even notwithstanding the legal issue he didn't have the money to make axanar before and if CBS says no crowdfunding and no axanar coffee how can he afford to make it?
I still don't think we'll ever see this movie.
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Even notwithstanding the legal issue he didn't have the money to make axanar before and if CBS says no crowdfunding and no axanar coffee how can he afford to make it?
I still don't think we'll ever see this movie.
Why would they grandfather something in? What does it matter what has been allowed in the past? All of that is going to change.
Peters wanted guidelines. He's going to get guidelines. He may not be happy with those guidelines.
Be careful what you ask for.
AP's ugly business practices got brought up again on the CBS/Paramount v. Axanar group over on Facebook today, where Steve York made a lengthy post (link) about how Propworx auctioned off the "Trials and Tribbleations" Klingon Cruiser in an auction that went to support Axanar. Greg Jein had built and provided the model to the show gratis, but it vanished after production of the show and Jein wanted it back. I can't speak to the veracity of the claims there, but it sure seems to fit with AP's M.O.
The full text of the Facebook post below, for those who can't access it.
The full text of the Facebook post below, for those who can't access it.
I would like fans to get their film, really I would, even if I wouldn't personally want all the pewpew. Its really a deep shame in retrospect that someone like DeForest Kelley wasn't in charge of Axanar.
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That was interesting. Now let's wait for the rebuttal: "Lies! All lies!! There's no truth it any of it!" Once, I'd believe it not true. Twice or even three times, maybe. But there have been a ton of stories like that coming out for months now. Where there's smoke, there's fire. And there's a lot of smoke coming from AP's area.
I recall people saying Alec defended bidding in his own auctions by claiming it was a blind process conducted by someone else on his behalf. Criticism of this I think was that he would be paying the buyer's premium in effect to himself, thus able to bid more, and that the potential for shill bidding was created anyway. I believe these comments have been posted here in this thread some time ago.
But this discussion really goes beyond his justifications. I wonder if further info will emerge about the D7 now that this is posted in the current discussions.
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Nice!
He can keep the coffee, I just wanna see his "I can make a better Trek than nuTrek" challenge.
To be fair, and not addressing any of the machinations of selling an item liberated from the studio, the article says that 10% of the 18% commission, or 1.8% of the sale price, went to Axanar. That would be less than $1000. Did I misread this?
This is considerably different than what one might assume from a description that an item was auctioned off to support Axanar -- this statement implies the proceeds were in substantial part donated to Axanar, which if the article is accurate, isn't indicated.
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Maybe Abrams wants to see it as well. Thus his announcement.
He could loan Axanar some (more) lens flare filters and make sure the control consoles all have bright halogen lights shining into the eyes of the staff from all directions.
Then he'll love it and help AP score a distribution deal with Paramount.
I'm kidding. Though that would be funny. Whether he succeeds or loses, I win!
Sure, they are entitled to go after him, but not obligated.
That's why STC, Renegades, and PII/NV are still standing. A strict letter-of-the-law policy would wipe the slate clean, not be talking about issuing guidelines.
I mean, a lot of the rhetoric here seems to revolve around Alec deserving harsh payback for bad karma. But the irony is that JJ of all people went up to bat for the guy, despite the trash-talking Alec did towards nuTrek. It might not have been something you or I would have done in the same circumstances, but he did it. None of us can control whether JJ or CBS/P should be vindictive towards Alec anymore than we could stop them from one day impeding STC, Renegades, or PII/NV. We're merely spectators.
A lot of the fact based content here revolves around the details of why Alec specifically can be found in violation of laws, too, and in significantly greater degree than other 'fan films'. The judge agrees enough with this assertion to allow a trial process to proceed.
Whether or not anyone here says Alec has karma to balance, the basic issue is knowingly taking profit off of IP and creating a professional media operation using that IP. This is in no way diminished by trying to characterize this discussion as marginal rather than focused on the substance.
That said, yes, I agree JJ's statement is ironic big time (def: happening in the opposite way to what is expected, and typically causing wry amusement because of this.) It doesn't make Alec's documented conduct any less against copyright law or clearly stated intent of the studio that fan films "make no money".
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They're going to HAVE to grandfather to some extent--with the guidelines.
Let's say the new guidelines say ZERO crowdfunding. Should they ask for all the productions that have taken in crowdfunding to retroactively pay every penny of it to them sort of like the IRS coming to claim back-taxes? Of course not. I don't know exactly where they're going to draw the line, but to some extent, you just can't cry over spilt milk. It turned into a mess and they are going to just have to let the past go and set new guidelines from here onward.
I was thinking, and others have rolled this around too, that the other simple explanation for Abrams sudden comments on Friday is that he was given the go ahead to speak but at the very last minute. It was so last minute that the teleprompters weren't updated and that limited information had made its way to the the powers that be.
That would still keep the "why" within the realm of what others have also said, that Abrams was worried about his film / co-opting fans to back into the fold / creating as good a unifying front as possible.
If Uncle Occam is to be honored, reducing that gets us one less assumption -- he spoke out of turn and caused a commotion. Instead, he spoke in turn, but only a few departments understood. Hence the craziness in back chatter over the weekend.
That would still keep the "why" within the realm of what others have also said, that Abrams was worried about his film / co-opting fans to back into the fold / creating as good a unifying front as possible.
If Uncle Occam is to be honored, reducing that gets us one less assumption -- he spoke out of turn and caused a commotion. Instead, he spoke in turn, but only a few departments understood. Hence the craziness in back chatter over the weekend.
They don't have to grandfather anything. It's all going forward.
They won't touch previous crowdfunding, what are they going to do? Sue everyone? Because that would be the only way to get it back.
It's all going forward, from this point onward. So, anything is on the table. Crowdfunding, time limits, etc.
What was done in the past doesn't matter. These are guidelines going forward. At most, perhaps, they will ask people to take things down, but I bet not.
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