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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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As a bit of background, the poster here is, most likely, the Orange County pediatrician who posted equally obsessive missives to the CBS v. Axanar page on Facebook. Eventually, he reached the point where he questioned the right of anyone to post on Facebook forum who didn't own IP.

When I suggested that standard was lacking and that if you were really going to set a bar, it shouldn't just be if you owned IP but if you'd actually created the IP you owned, he rage quit the page after refusing to divulge what rights he'd fashioned out of whole-cloth vs. just picked up at auction.

He's pretty obsessed, sees minor details as evidence of major conspiracies, and, in text-book Dunning Kruger fashion, overestimates his knowledge of the law (and a few other things as well.)

Best to push the tin foil box across the table, nod your head knowingly, and otherwise let him be.
Pediatrician? That's a little creepy.
 
Questions for @bonesmccoy2014
If Axanar ain't Star Trek why is their twitter handle @StarTrekAxanar and why when you go to www.startrekaxanar.com does it go to their website?

That's the problem. Axanar is NOT Star Trek but Axanar's producer continues to label it "as" Star Trek.

And to Jody Wheeler - getting personal is a form of propaganda and disinformation.

Neither you, Pedraza or Hinman are "fans". You are professionals and you are making money in the entertainment business.

There are people who would like to view Star Trek properties and branding as a source of family-friendly and child-friendly entertainment. I understand that you object and that your associated film makers also have previously successfully filmed and produced David Gerrold's "Blood and Fire" scripts under New Voyages.

Your defamatory behavior has been noted.
 
I basically lurked forever too. Sometimes people just lurk.
You don't need an account to lurk. Most people don't bother opening an account unless they have something they want to say, and they usually say it soon after opening the account.
the CBS v. Axanar page on Facebook
What it the link to that Facebook page?? I found the StarTrekAxanar page a long time ago, but I presume this is a different page, yes?
 
That's the problem. Axanar is NOT Star Trek but Axanar's producer continues to label it "as" Star Trek.

And to Jody Wheeler - getting personal is a form of propaganda and disinformation.

Neither you, Pedraza or Hinman are "fans". You are professionals and you are making money in the entertainment business.

There are people who would like to view Star Trek properties and branding as a source of family-friendly and child-friendly entertainment. I understand that you object and that your associated film makers also have previously successfully filmed and produced David Gerrold's "Blood and Fire" scripts under New Voyages.

Your defamatory behavior has been noted.

The wheels are coming off.....
 
Or that someone created multiple accounts in 2014 to use as backups in case of a ban?
You guys talking about the fact that I just joined? give me a break.

Gads, I ask one question about timing of the PR practices of Hinman and Pedraza, and I get Wheeler claiming that I'm sort of nutty professor.

The digital practices of this cyber mob are awful.
 
Plus, we'd already been discussing Axanar here in the Fan Productions forum since before Prelude came out, in many cases in threads started by none other than Alec Peters himself. Simply Axanar itself has been a pertinent topic on the board since day one.

That's madness! Nobody should be discussing a fan production in the 'Fan Productions' board.

The digital practices of this cyber mob are awful.

Fine, I confess - I used to code using Visual Basic, and will occasionally use Bing for reverse image searches.

However did you discover my shameful secret?
 
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OK, I'm confused.
But @bonesmccoy2014 states that this is NOT about Star Trek!!!

My point was clear. Axanar is NOT Star Trek. That's the point of this litigation.

However, it is equally clear that some people are trying to use this case as a political and rhetorical weapon against CBS and against other fan productions.

My original question to Hinman, Pedraza, and now Wheeler still stands unanswered. Why the timing of the multiple releases, why the statements in multiple social media sources, and why the coordination between the platforms????

Still waiting for the answer to the question... and not allowing people to participate in discussions, locking out discussions, deleting comments, and unilaterally changing discussions does not appear to be a part of the admin of this board. Good for Trek BBS.

Disinformation tactics are not acceptable in a discussion related to someone's behavior. If I cross the line, I am more than willing to bear the criticism. However, when I am questioning the crossing of lines in this board, it is patently obvious that the cyber-bullying continues.
see: http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-25-rules-of-disinformation/
 
My point was clear. Axanar is NOT Star Trek. That's the point of this litigation.

Actually, that's your conclusion. The point of the litigation is that Paramount and CBS say it is Star Trek and it infringes on the rights of their IP and the Defendant basically says "it's Star Trek but fair use and doesn't infringe on your rights because minor characters." So, no. Even the defendants don't say it's not Star Trek.
 
Good to know a settlement conference has been requested. Thanks. I guess this will be another item for the May 9 agenda?

A settlement would at least contain the damage.

Well, the 'Request for Settlement Conference' is a pretty standard procedure these days (most Civil Judges require at least one before going to trial) - BUT, just because they go to such a settlement conference it doesn't mean they're willing to settle. The mediator will speak to each party and try to get them to settle - but they are not required TO settle; and if one side doesn't want to, they won't.

Again, I work for a Civil court and sometimes these settlement conferences last as little as a couple of minutes. If the mediator sees one side or the other really isn't willing to settle - he's not going to waste his time as he's overbooked as it is - he'll sign the form stating 'no settlement could be reached'; and they'll proceed to discovery and trial. Again, it's something where the Judge wants to show (on the record) that he TRIED to get the parties to settle before having a trial.
 
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My point was clear. Axanar is NOT Star Trek. That's the point of this litigation.

However, it is equally clear that some people are trying to use this case as a political and rhetorical weapon against CBS and against other fan productions.

My original question to Hinman, Pedraza, and now Wheeler still stands unanswered. Why the timing of the multiple releases, why the statements in multiple social media sources, and why the coordination between the platforms????

Still waiting for the answer to the question... and not allowing people to participate in discussions, locking out discussions, deleting comments, and unilaterally changing discussions does not appear to be a part of the admin of this board. Good for Trek BBS.

Disinformation tactics are not acceptable in a discussion related to someone's behavior. If I cross the line, I am more than willing to bear the criticism. However, when I am questioning the crossing of lines in this board, it is patently obvious that the cyber-bullying continues.
see: http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-25-rules-of-disinformation/

Oooh! Looks like on the way to Flounce Cliff there is going to be a detour through Persecution Forest!
 
@bonesmccoy2014 Gotta ask you, when Alec Peters says Rob Burnett told him his script was the best Star Trek movie ever, and when he says that he's out to make a professional quality independent Star Trek feature, what is it that leads you to think it isn't Star Trek?

Is the the Klingons? The Vulcans? The Federation? Soval from Star Trek: Enterprise? Is the the Enterprise itself (NCC-1701) that, to you, screams, "Man, this sure isn't Star Trek!"?

I'm really curious.
 
You don't need an account to lurk. Most people don't bother opening an account unless they have something they want to say, and they usually say it soon after opening the account.
What it the link to that Facebook page?? I found the StarTrekAxanar page a long time ago, but I presume this is a different page, yes?
I posted once then didn't have more to say until this Axanar thing happened. lol.
 
However, it is equally clear that some people are trying to use this case as a political and rhetorical weapon against CBS and against other fan productions.

Your continued insistence of this is both amusing and absurd for the simple fact that no motive exists and you have yet to identify one.

Why
would 'some people' harbor a grudge and hold animosity against C/P and other fan productions??? What reason do they have to want other fan films shut down?

Such premeditation would suggest a level of depravity that no one here possesses......
 
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You guys talking about the fact that I just joined? give me a break.

Gads, I ask one question about timing of the PR practices of Hinman and Pedraza, and I get Wheeler claiming that I'm sort of nutty professor.

The digital practices of this cyber mob are awful.

You wandered in here and, in your very first post, began accusing respected members of an act of collusion that was utterly ridiculous on its face. What did you expect? To dazzle us with your "logic"?

My original question to Hinman, Pedraza, and now Wheeler still stands unanswered. Why the timing of the multiple releases, why the statements in multiple social media sources, and why the coordination between the platforms????

The question has been answered by multiple people, multiple times. You just don't like the answers you're getting, because you want to see a conspiracy where there isn't one. You want to believe that someone is "out to get" Axanar.

Let me clue you in: someone is out to get Axanar. That's why they got sued. Don't blame anyone on this board; we're not the ones who were out there prancing around, proclaiming ourselves to be an "Independent Professional Star Trek Production" until we annoyed CBS and Paramount enough to smack us down, and we're not the ones who sued them as a result of their antics.
 
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