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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Robert Meyer Burnett@BurnettRM
@AxaMonitor I never said he was scared of the project. It was, after all, his project. I worked for him on PRELUDE. He left. Ask him.
Ah, Burnett is playing the semantics and syntax game again. He may not have said outright Gossett was scared off the project, but he sure implied it with his statement that Gossett was "a little intimidated" by the Alec's ambitions.
in·tim·i·date
inˈtiməˌdāt/
verb
past tense: intimidated; past participle: intimidated
- frighten or overawe (someone), especially in order to make them do what one wants.
"he tries to intimidate his rivals"
synonyms: frighten, menace, terrify, scare, terrorize, cow, dragoon, subdue;
threaten,browbeat, bully, pressure, harass, harry, hassle, hound, torment,tyrannize, persecute;
informallean on, push around, bulldoze, railroad,twist someone's arm, strong-arm
"he sent his goons to intimidate the local merchants"
you mean like how to make a movie?
"...no...only half a key...I had to split it with the sound man!..."
<"Thanks, Rocky!...>
Quotes like this? ^
Renegades isn't my cup of Star Trek tea, but that's not a review; it's a hit job. Pure class, AP...
Just had a Brainstorm so Brilliant in its Conception and Innovative in its Scope, that I am Blinded by My Own Something-or-Other...
AxaSentence for AxaThiefing:
The Sentence?
Make AlexBoy sell everything he has and borrow everything he can to actually finish the movie, and then relinquish and hand it right the heck over to CBS/Paramount, who split the rights as Compensation...CBS can release it on their new Money Channel, Paramount can include it on "Bonus Discs, or release it with other ST movies as kind of a "Cartoon Before the Movie" (like the old days) or include it as Premiums or put it in Celebrity Goodie Bags, or what have you...
AxaSentence for AxaThiefing:
The Sentence?
Make AlexBoy sell everything he has and borrow everything he can to actually finish the movie, and then relinquish and hand it right the heck over to CBS/Paramount, who split the rights as Compensation...CBS can release it on their new Money Channel, Paramount can include it on "Bonus Discs, or release it with other ST movies as kind of a "Cartoon Before the Movie" (like the old days) or include it as Premiums or put it in Celebrity Goodie Bags, or what have you...
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Not only did he complete the film, but made something really unique in the process. Granted, to each their own taste, but the production itself was well done all around, and yes the budget was a tiny sliver in comparison to Axanar's budget.
Leave it to Alec to make a million dollars on a hundred thousand dollar project, and just royally fuck it up, and still have nothing to show for it except more promises.
Nice fantasy I would amend by first removing the current principals of Axanar Productions and opening the door to others in competition for what they could do with that much money and a facility and inexpensive staff.
but its never gonna happen since no big media company can possibly allow their properties to be 100% equally knocked off by companies outside their operation. Once that door is opened a thousand efforts will assail every current and dormant IP imaginable. as mentioned upstream, unions and current license holders would act.
promises? I don't see any promises anywhere. only statements of aspiration. you can donate and support a group that aspires to achieve something. no accountability, no deadlines, no promised results. just purity of vision and willingness to accept money provided you don't press them about results.
If you're interested, try reading the latest article by Axanar's P.R. manager Mike Bawden here.
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"You see, if there are no actual “rules” from CBS that can be broken (an assertion supported by Alec’s experience in dealing directly with CBS licensing), then the foundation of arguments made by Rod Roddenberry, Wil Wheaton and other producers are factually undermined. Axanar Productions couldn’t “follow the rules” because there were no rules to actually follow."
WTF kind of rhetorical silliness is that?
Here's a selected quote:
"You see, if there are no actual “rules” from CBS that can be broken (an assertion supported by Alec’s experience in dealing directly with CBS licensing), then the foundation of arguments made by Rod Roddenberry, Wil Wheaton and other producers are factually undermined. Axanar Productions couldn’t “follow the rules” because there were no rules to actually follow."
WTF kind of rhetorical silliness is that?
CBS doesn't need to set rules; copyright law does it for them, Mike.
Lately "Springtime for Hitler" keeps running through my head. I wonder why. 
Axanar isn't being sued because they didn't follow non-existent rules, they are being sued because they broke existing law.
I can only say, stupid must be contagious no matter who you are. This "you didn't tell me exactly how much I could violate the law so you lose your rights" meme is so abysmally stupid...
Balock just had a laugh-heart-attack
+ aneurysm
+ diaphragm-hernia
+ vocal-cord-blowout
and he's still laughing
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Exactly! Don't violate copyrights and don't make a profit (income) from those copyrights. I see plenty of fans actually making fan films that have figured that out. D'oh.
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To be fair, the Gossett-directed Prelude to Axanar went way over budget -- but at least it was shot and completed.
It's really a childish defense like "well my mom didn't tell me I couldn't play with the oven." which is really par for the course from what they've been putting out thus far. It's kind of like reading RT, or reading the Onion, and pretty blatantly blaming the victim. Not to mention that it's an attempt to move the goalposts away from the argument about whether or not they are violating copryright to generate profit, and instead moving to the existence of a vague set of rules, even though if they existed at all, it wouldn't change the fact that they're blatantly violating copyright and attempting to generate a profit.
This is even funnier, check this out. Keep in mind this is what passes off as "public relations" at Axanar.
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how can we thank them enough for rolling the moment back to college for a while? lets start an "Axanar as Entertainment" kickstarter, to help them continue!
It's never a good sign when a lawyer literally tells you to shut up and let the lawyers handle in those exact words. I couldn't imagine being these guys' lawyers. I'd probably be going through a year's worth of pain killers in a day for the constant headache they'd be giving me.Christian is remaining wisely silent publicly, given the possibility he could be named a defendant in the case. Unlike Rob Burnett, whose lawyer friend just told him on Twitter to BE QUIET.
@AxaMonitor I never said he was scared of the project. It was, after all, his project. I worked for him on PRELUDE. He left. Ask him.
Lillian Wolf @BadWolfLil 1h1 hour ago
@BurnettRM Rob, as a friend and as a lawyer I am suggesting in the STRONGEST POSSIBLE TERMS that you shut up & let the lawyers handle it.
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