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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Noname Given said:
Personally I think the results/production history surrounding the film Heaven's Gate (link) is a more fitting comparison to the 'Axanar' film situation.:ack::rommie:
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I disagree, Cimino may have broken both time and budgetary constraints, but he was actually making the film all that time, not selling coffee and living it up at fancy hotels for fan conventions...
 
Well given that some of the Axanerds are following this thread and commenting on it on FB can any off you honestly say that thread by Sandy doesn't bother you?

A donor posts a very reasonable thread gets hounded by 3 Admins who seem to trying to make him escalate the situation and somehow he/all the haters are the problem.

No questions, no dissent, group think rules.

Axanar Fan Groups motto should be
“Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself.”
 
#1RealTrekFan said:
Robert Meyer Burnett is comparing Axanar to The Revenant. If this is not enough proof that the mother-frakker has lost his mind then I don't know what is.

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That he would compare it to any actual Hollywood film is proof enough.
 
muCephi said:
this thing is looking more and more like an actual cult of personality project. but to what end? aside from extracting some money, and getting cheered in a meeting room at a side hotel at the conventions, what could it possibly serve to boil down the followers to those who will accept such abuse? why would anyone actually want to create a dissident faction of unreflective people among thinking fans? its just so... stupid
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Who? Who!? Who! [Counts back a few pages, yeah, it's about time for another reference.] Hitler, that's who! :devil:

Actually, at this point, I think everyone (fans and Axanar) are just trying to convince themselves it could still be OK. Key word: could.

Or, the holders on still want patches.
 
I think there's a undercurrent of frustrated anger behind the censorship and bleating today by the Axanar leadership: the asshats are now confronting the fact that the toys they bought with other people's money are about to be taken away.
 
Minor details like that isn't going to stop The Great Darth Garth of Izar from giving real Star Wars to the fans because Disney and Lucasfilm clearly aren't using the IP.

Kor said:
Making a five-minute fan film for an official contest is somewhat different than what Axanar was trying to do.

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Dennis said:
I think there's a undercurrent of frustrated anger behind the censorship and bleating today by the Axanar leadership: the asshats are now confronting the fact that the toys they bought with other people's money are about to be taken away.
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Is there any CBS lawyer that doesn't read the smug Peters interview at 1701news and come away not wanting to put the guy into the ground?
 
I dearly wish that when they brought up the Revenant as a defense for their ambition, it was pointed out that the studio that made The Revenant actually owned the right to make the movie.

They aren't being sued because they are being creatively ambitious. They are being sued because they raised a ton of cash, built a studio and paid themselves by selling someone else's property.
 
Pindar said:
Well given that some of the Axanerds are following this thread and commenting on it on FB can any off you honestly say that thread by Sandy doesn't bother you?

A donor posts a very reasonable thread gets hounded by 3 Admins who seem to trying to make him escalate the situation and somehow he/all the haters are the problem.

No questions, no dissent, group think rules.

Axanar Fan Groups motto should be
“Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself.”
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It appears based on that last moderators comments that the FB forum is being led in a way designed to empower flamers and trolls with a net outcome of deflecting discussions that can lead to accountability. FB must certainly be like AOL in its day in that there is a steady pool of people who have not yet been burned by this game, and jump in flamethrowers ablazin. But this isn't thirty years ago, most net users now know the game when they smell it. Support for the project is probably melting away from below at a rapid rate specifically because of this abusive tactic.

Michael Hinman said:
I don't think they would put him into the ground ... well, not literally.
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*Certainly* not. The defendants are all persons with a right to creative expression and free speech. Just not rights to resell commercial property without a license. Its a business shutdown through legal means.

Michael Hinman said:
But they were probably breaking open the champagne ...
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ya think? they will get bored of champagne at this rate.
 
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As if going over budget is a good thing. That The Revenant went (apparently) 44% over budget means turning a profit is far more difficult. In fact, the current worldwide B.O. is $365.4m against a $135m production budget and at minimum $35m in P&A (prints and advertising), so about $179m to recoup, and the studio typically gets less than half the B.O. domestically and ofter even less in foreign markets, so the thing is probably still short of even breaking even, and likely far from it.

But by all means, keep spinning everything to make yourselves sound better, guys.
 
BoredShipCapt'n said:
Thirty years ago?
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AOL was founded in 1985. Even at that time, there was a thriving public flow of thousands of discussion groups on a system still around today called Usenet, and there were other mature online communities such as Compuserve. Flamers and trolls and net newbies are nothing new. AOL poured a flood of people with no prior net experience into the world of discussion boards. FB continues the situation.
 
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JWPlatt said:
Yep, it's Alec Peters' world and you're all just living in it. This thread is Alec Peters's ego's wet dream. How many more hours of their lives will people who don't actually like Alec Peters willingly give over to Alec Peters by discussing Alec Peters in Alec Peters threads like this one? Think about it.
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If useful analyses expressed here never left the group, I'd agree 100%. But it seems likely at least some on the fence donors or staff could be reading, and take away a more nuanced perspective than the FB diktat. Which will end up in other circles, in spite of the desires of Axanar management. And there's llamas :-)
 
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muCephi said:
AOL was founded in 1985. Even at that time, there was a thriving public flow of thousands of discussion groups on a system still around today called Usenet, and there were other mature online communities such as Compuserve. Flamers and trolls and net newbies are nothing new. AOL poured a flood of people with no prior net experience into the world of discussion boards. FB continues the situation.
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Hell, I've been a member here for 15 years never mind the rest of the Internet.
 
Squiggy said:
They're not publicly asking for donations, but they're still accepting money via "retroactive donor packages". It's front and center on their website.

Anyway, I'm sure they won't willingly refund any of the donations unless court ordered to do so.
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This kinda looks like they're continuing to ask publicly for donations. It's literally the biggest text above the fold on the Axanar homepage.

I totally agree with you that Peters isn't likely to willingly part with his donors' money. My suspicion is that CBS will insist on it as recompense to fans who otherwise would be left totally holding the bag. CBS doesn't really need the money, they're suing to make a point — don't trade off our property.
 
Given the sheer arrogance & hubris displayed by AP and Co. almost from the beginning, the denial/cognitive dissonance isn't that surprising. I wouldn't be surprised either if, after CBS/Paramount got through with them, that some donors or other outside party came at them with a suit alleging fraud/theft by deception etc.
 
carlosp said:
This kinda looks like they're continuing to ask publicly for donations. It's literally the biggest text above the fold on the Axanar homepage..
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I meant "ask" as in active crowdfunding campaigns.


carlosp said:
I totally agree with you that Peters isn't likely to willingly part with his donors' money. My suspicion is that CBS will insist on it as recompense to fans who otherwise would be left totally holding the bag. CBS doesn't really need the money, they're suing to make a point — don't trade off our property.
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Agreed. It was never about the money or fear. This is CBS reclaiming what was theirs all along.
 
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