Discussion in 'Fan Productions' started by Richard Baker, Dec 30, 2015.
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That trailer... whoa!!!
I think that trailer shows why JJ Abrams has been an asset to these franchises. Certain elements in the fandoms will always hate him. His films aren't perfect. But he's breathed new life into both properties.
We're lucky to have him.
I'm going to throw up.
All is revealed herein (blog post):
Thanks for askin'!
YouTube to follow later.
Sometimes I swear I feel like JJ and AP are working for Disney to turn trekkies into star wars fan. It would explain how the JJ films show so little respect for the source material, and even less for the intelligent style longterm trekkies know and love. (While doing almost the exact opposite for his star wars film). And of course AP sent in to take down the fan film community. (Which he seems so proficient at) now, with fan films and canon films covered, we just need to watch out for whoever Disney sends out to screw up the new show.
Or maybe I'm just losing my mind and need some stronger medications.
I checked their fan page's analytics in February before they locked it down. In theory, this would've been around the most active times as the suit was still fresh and AP had just stuck his foot in his mouth with that 1701 interview...
The number of people who were active at all numbered in the hundreds, and most of them didn't do much more than like a post here or there or a handful of comments.
To be fair, if we didn't have the JJ films, Star Trek might not have lived long enough to have gotten to its 50th anniversary under its own steam. Whatever one's opinion of his films may be, it's undeniable that the JJ-Treks have brought new fans to the franchise and have helped keep it alive and current.
I hate the way JJ dumbed down Star Trek. Making Scotty, Sulu, and Chekov into dumb comic relief, getting Uhura to strip down, making travel halfway across the galaxy take a matter of minutes, throwing in silly action scenes and toilet humour, giving Spock a brother -- oh wait. That was Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. You know, that REAL Star Trek that JJ just doesn't get.
Even literal toilet humor:
I don't think a single person decrying JJ Trek liked Star Trek V. So while that's a clever takedown, it's not relevant to the legitimacy of JJ Trek criticisms.
That said, JJ Trek's success cannot be denied. And let's maybe just leave it at that, so we don't veer off course in this thread.
Not to carry us offtopic, but I could make similar points about several other Star Trek movies. The movies have always tried to appeal to a larger audience by introducing villains, adding action, blowing up Enterprises, you name it. The JJ Abrams movies are more popular. That's the main difference.
Something I've noticed about a vocal minority of fandom is that they are extremely vocal about the things they don't like, and sometimes they don't like things solely on the basis that those things are popular.
!!! Just saw the podcast has landed.
omg. longterm trekkies know, longterm trekkies love, How much do I so appreciate grouping us all in a single mind.
SEPTEMBER 8, 1966 = ME = longterm fan/trekkie/trekker/lover of TheOriginalSeries, TheNextGeneration, Voyager... really like a whole ton DS9 & Enterprise. Fifty years this coming September 8th. Love or like and appreciate each and every TOS and TNG movie. Own every series, every movie. Re-watch them loads & bunches as well as have them as audio cuts to take with me everywhere. The Original Series IS the place I began forming my ethical and sociological foundation.
Please. Do not speak for me. Or the many many many other longterm trekkies who, like me, do not agree with that assessment.
The voices of just a teeny tiny itsy bitsy few of the many many many of WE trekkies, longterm trekkies, trekkers, fans, historic trekkies/trekkers/fans who think differently than that assessment:
"I am a life long fan of trek and I LOVE what JJ and team have done."
"I’m an old Trekkie myself. I couldn’t wait to see the first one. I had a boss at work who loved ST too and we discussed this new movie for weeks! I loved how the first one gave answers to many old questions. I loved how they gave the alternate time-line idea."
"I don’t know who these TOS fans are who supposedly voted that the film sucked, but I’ve been a dyed-in-the-wool Trekker since the day the series fist appeared on TV, so I consider myself somewhat of an expert on TOS. What Abrams did was nothing short of miraculous."
"I’m an unabashed Trekkie. And, I loved Star Trek Into Darkness"
"Action and blockbusters are not incompatible with good stories or moral dilemmas, criticism of issues of our time and morality plays, as Star Trek Into Darkness has proved so well. (And while indeed some so-called ‘fans’ do revile the new movies, the best elements of TOS are present all over STID"
"As for 'JJ Trek' as it's been called by many, LOVE IT - it really does go back to what the core of Star Trek originally was - action/adventure with a little bit of occasional social commentary"
"Speaking as a lifelong trek fan, and having watched all the series franchises and films, I for one will be looking forward greatly to the next in the brilliantly rejuvenated Star Trek film series!"
"I have been a Trekkie all my life, I have watched every episode and movie and these new movies are a breath of fresh air, I have to take my hat off to he as they are a work of genius"
"I am an old fan, in my 50s in fact. I watched the original series when it was first aired, all the films, then TNG, DS9 etc. I have original manuals from my childhood, new manuals, action figures and more. The new films are great."
"I was raised on Star Trek (all series) and loved it growing up. My mother even wrote and received a response from Gene Roddenberry himself. He had developed such a wonderful “franchise” and a beautiful outlook to a future. I am ecstatic that this wonderful show has been revitalized for new fans and old alike and believe that Abrams has done a remarkable job in making it available and worthy."
"I am a Trekkie! I have been one since day one of Star Trek in the 60’s. I have seen all the movies. When Next Generation came out, people complained. This was the same to Deep Space 9, Voyager & Enterprise. I personally like the reboot. No, it is not like the original. It was never intended to be like the original. When I watched the first in 2009 I kept an open mind. I like what I saw. It is a new look on an old plot. Thanks JJ for what you have done. I love them both."
"I love the original movies & I also love the reboot"
"As a long time Star Trek fan, I loved the two movies, and the idea of an alternate time-line."
"Am I gonna be shot out an airlock if I say I enjoyed both."
"As a fan of trek new and old, finding them both great in very different ways, i wish people would stop acting like just because they didn’t like a movie that it “ruined everything.” Ok, you don’t like it fine, but guess what, there are hundreds of episodes and nine movies you can enjoy, maybe stop trying to rain on other people’s parade with hate-spewing nonsense. This is how i solved my dislike of “star trek the motion picture” … I never watched it again. It was really simple."
"my kids , 16 & 18, were raised on the original stuff and also love these movies. That says much about real Trekkies"
"I was a Star Trek fan since I was born. I remember back in the 70’s watching it at my grandfather’s house religiously. I have the whole series and movies on DVD and I still love them and watch them to this day with my son. I love the NU-Trek"
"Have been a fan since first seeing original series as child. Lived through reruns, films, spinoffs. Everyone has their own opinions and perceptions, but the new films I liked. They fit in with my conception of ST, they sat well with me."
"I watched and loved TOS in the 60s. That being said, I liked STID. People I know of various ages and varying degrees of ST "fanhood" liked it as well."
"I am in my 66th year, I have watched ALL the Star Trek series and films and can advise that this film combines a serious reflection of William Shatner's portrayal of James T. Kirk but also matures Chris Pine as the film progresses. As Roddenberry was closely involved with original Star Trek series I therefore believe that he would approve the direction that Abrams is taking the latest incarnation of Star Trek. It is rich in plot detail and exciting to watch."
"As someone who has grown up with the franchise, watched every show and every movie (I've watched the entire DS9 series at least twice!), suffered through characters/actors who I didn't care for. That being said? I LOVED this movie. I even capitalized it I loved it so much. I am already excited for the next movie. I will outright admit I more than teared up during the climactic scene in the engine room. I have already come to care about, respect and enjoy the new actors in their iconic roles. So yes, ten out of ten. I will boldly go and embrace the new with a continued reverence for the old."
"As a long term trek fan, who has been a HUGE fan of all things this franchise has to offer, and knows a fair amount of the extra background this movie is great. Easily one of the best Star Trek Movies ever." [<--referring to Star Trek Into Darkness]
"I'm a devoted Star Trek fan and have seen almost every episode of every series, all seasons, plus all Star Trek movies, multiple times. This movie was absolutely enthralling." [<--referring to STID]
"I watched the original Star Trek TV series, starting from episode 1 of the first season, when I was a boy. I've loved Star Trek in its various incarnations ever since, including these two recent movies by J.J. Abrams. "
"Trekkie. Maybe one or two other times in my life have I wanted to stand up in the theater or my living room (or wherever I was watching whatever I was watching) and root for a character so badly. The line from the trailer sums it all up. "Is there anything you would not do for your family?" This movie shows exactly how much of a family they truly are and I could not have been happier with this film. By the way I NEVER see a movie multiple times in theaters due to the obscene prices, but I was willing to go three times to see this film, if that tells you anything."
" I love Star Trek and Science Fiction in general. I re-watched all Star Trek movies more times than I would care to admit. I know, or at least I'm convinced that I know, what Star Trek is about. I loved the Star Trek reboot, first in 2009 and now its sequel Into Darkness. It's all there. The moral dilemma, the friendship theme, the human weakness, the human brilliance, the strong and emotional characters, the philosophical theme."
"I grew up with the original Star Trek so the Enterprise has a very fond place in my heart. I just absolutely love the latest versions of the ship"
"I'll just say that I've been with Star Trek for my whole life and I loved those moments [re TWOK twists/call backs]. Most of my Trekker friends are of a similar mind"
We of Star Trek fandom can not be grouped together as one mind.
Don't like the new iteration? SUPER.
Detest the director/producer of the new iteration? GREAT. I TOTALLY SUPPORT THAT.
Think we all think alike about them? NO WE DON'T.
I'm sorry you dislike the way I worded my post. For future reference the usual way to handle disliking the way some bodies worded something is to shrug and move on. But too eaxh their own.
Also thank you for being the first person to genuinely make me feel unwelcome and threatened in this community. I was unaware of the aggression that would come from someone disagreeing with or disliking the wording of what I post. That is no longer the case. I often use the trek community as a place to deal with my anxiety and depression. You've shown me this can also be a place that makes both of those things much worse. You've made your point, and made me feel stupid for posting, anxious about a possible error in anything future that I post to open me up to more attacks, and nervous about being inexperienced here in general. You win. I appologize for generalizing.
No no no. It is my turn to apologize.
I 'like' having you here. I 'enjoy' reading your postings.
I sincerely apologize for making you feel unwanted.
If it would be better or make you feel less threatened I can go right back and delete that post right this instant.
It's fine. Thank you.
And I think the first and only time a toilet was ever officially seen in any Trek product, before or since. The "Do not use in spacedock" was a funny bit.
I should know the derivation of LFIM but I don't. Laughable fucker in maniacland?
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