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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Sorry. You asked if they should write off the 1%. Did I misunderstand? That's what I was responding to. I also edited the post while you were responding to, so maybe my fix addressed what you meant?
The 1% thing was in response to BillJ when regarding 99% of people not caring about the lawsuit. I was saying it's better that they get this out of the way so not to further alienate fans. I think BillJ, like you, was assuming I was talking about the business side of things, or box office, or whatever. When I say the 1% matters, I'm really saying that everyone matters.
 
Only paying customers matter. And from the samples I've seen, pretty much all the Axanar donors hate the Abrams films. It is how Peters cultivated his donor base. So those were folks who weren't buying tickets anyways.
That's what I was referring to also.
 
Only paying customers matter. And from the samples I've seen, pretty much all the Axanar donors hate the Abrams films. It is how Peters cultivated his donor base. So those were folks who weren't buying tickets anyways.

That's a bit of a stretch. When Peters was saying "this is what the fans want" and "all true Trek fans are behind me" we all laughed at the way he claimed to speak for all us.

While there may be a large sub-section of Axanar's fanbase who hate the Abrams-verse, by tarring them all with the same brush ("pretty much all the Axanar donors hate the Abrams films"), you become as bad as Peters.

Stereotyping is bad.
 
Only paying customers matter. And from the samples I've seen, pretty much all the Axanar donors hate the Abrams films. It is how Peters cultivated his donor base. So those were folks who weren't buying tickets anyways.
Exactly. AP promoted Axanar specifically aiming his disdain at JJ and CBS/P. Here's a quote of AP from the Santa Clarita Journal:

http://static.signalscv.com/flipbook/SCVBJ/2015/04/files/assets/basic-html/page9.html
"When people saw our short 20 minute film we got buzz in the industry - better than anything JJ Abrams is doing."

I wonder if JJ knows of the uncomplimentary comments AP has tossed his way being how their buddies and all now.
 
It just boggles the mind that CBS would settle. I really don't understand what the upside for them is?

Nothing has been settled yet. We have two people who may or may not (I would say most likely 'not') have any direct knowledge of what is happening behind the scenes with the lawsuit saying it will be settled or being dropped. Unless and until CP announces something to that effect I'm going to wait and see.
 
It's looking like Axanar is in heavy "settlement" talks with CBS, not that CBS is "dropping" the case. JJ might have been...spinning a bit. :-)

I think we are waiting for the other shoe to drop. Specifically, the other story that CBS/P are drawing up "guidelines" for doing fan films. Those guidelines could include, among other things, caps on the amount of money that can be spent, caps on crowdfunding, caps on movie length, etc., that make AP's "victory" a hollow one.
 
Which means you're likely not a paying customer. Hence, your favor is not one they're actively going for.
Oh goodness, I was not talking about the business side of things. Costumers, shareholders, ect. I'm not talking about that noise. Has NEMESIS and ENTERPRISE tanking in box office and ratings made fans here so obsessed over that stuff that they're more concerned with that above all else? I get it, you want to ensure that Trek has a future, but let's not lose sight over spirit.

For the record, I am going to see BEYOND. So much for writing me off, huh? I gave the two Abrams films a shot. When Orci was originally slated as the director, I decided that I was not going to see it in theaters. It's also why I didn't bother to see THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2. But then he got the boot and was replaced by Justin Lin. Okay, I get the choice. I'm not sure if he's right, but I did enjoy FAST FIVE so maybe he'll deliver? Then I read interviews with him and his thoughts on Trek and what he's aiming to do with BEYOND. From that point on, I was sold. I was for a moment a disillusioned fan that was ready to turn my back on another Trek film and Lin gave me hope.

That's what I mean about wanting to reach out to this "1%" as BillJ writes off. This isn't merely to get them to become paying customers and help the box office of BEYOND, but simply to get people excited again.
 
Exactly. AP cultivated Axanar specifically aiming his disdain at JJ and CBS/P. Here's a quote of AP from the Santa Clarita Journal:

http://static.signalscv.com/flipbook/SCVBJ/2015/04/files/assets/basic-html/page9.html
"When people saw our short 20 minute film we got buzz in the industry - better than anything JJ Abrams is doing."

I wonder if JJ knows of the uncomplimentary comments AP has tossed his way being how their buddies and all now.

Basically, I suspect JJ doesn't care. He's so far above it all, it's no skin off his nose.
 
That's what I mean about wanting to reach out to this "1%" as BillJ writes off.

Easier, simpler, cheaper to write them off. You are always going to have a small, loud group of people unhappy with the product, anyone that has followed this franchise for any length of time knows this.
 
Easier, simpler, cheaper to write them off. You are always going to have a small, loud group of people unhappy with the product, anyone that has followed this franchise for any length of time knows this.
That's your perspective. Fine. I rather try reaching out to as many people as possible rather than be like jerks like Orci that smugly dismisses those who are aren't happy with what's offered.
 
That's your perspective. Fine. I rather try reaching out to as many people as possible rather than be like jerks like Orci that smugly dismisses those who are aren't happy with what's offered.
Even Kevin Smith realized that, at a certain point, there's always gonna be a set group of people that aren't gonna be happy with the wares you're peddling. Why bother trying to cater to their wishes when it's a futile enterprise? Especially if they're such a small sect of the fandom? Effort and time can be better spent elsewhere.
 
That's rather cynical.
Not really because it is about the draw at the box office. My first reaction in 2009 walking out of the theater was "wow this would have been even more awesome if it wasn't called Star Trek" It was a good space adventure but it wasn't exactly the Star Trek.we expected.
 
Even Kevin Smith realized that, at a certain point, there's always gonna be a set group of people that aren't gonna be happy with the wares you're peddling. Why bother trying to cater to their wishes when it's a futile enterprise? Especially if they're such a small sect of the fandom? Effort and time can be better spent elsewhere.
Because there's always a chance to win people over. You don't just give up on fans unless you don't believe in them.
 
Like J.J.s version of Trek or not, it was made for the next generation of views who don't require a strong storyline to enjoy a lot of pretty pretty pictures.
I don't understand. Enjoying a lot of pretty pictures stopped requiring a strong storyline back when we were Homo Erectus. Or back when we were a weasel-like proto-primate still living with the dinosaurs. Though, to be fair, we didn't enjoy Jurassic Park then.
 
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