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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Well trying to dodge the lynch mob -Im an Axanar Backer-because I like Prelude and the setting -this thread has myself either being a naive "idiot" or a worshipper of Alec Peters,-I'm neither thanks -just a Trek fan who backed a fan film-All I want to see after the legal issue is the movie going to be made-now before everyone jumps on me you have been duped etc ha ha sucker-I welcomed the JJ/Lin thing because it will take us to the true litmus test-with no legal drama-Will Axanar be made delayed or not.
 
mos6507 said:
It certainly seems as if he did just that. You can split hairs over what constitutes "dropping" vs. "settlement" or whatever. It still falls within the realm of a surprise upset victory for Axanar. Even if Axanar is incapable of finishing the project for one reason or another, it can now claim it martyred itself for fan-filmdom.

And hey, if that's the case, great! This problem never would have come to a head if not for CBS/P being unwilling to really engage the fan-film community directly, because of their fear-based approach to protecting their copyright. The end result was what we just saw over these last few years, which is fan-film crowdfunding gradually pushing and pushing the envelope, continuing to poke the lion with the stick to see at what threshold it would strike.

So it's not entirely Axanar's fault and there's a way out if CBS/P just acknowledges what's going on. They should not just arbitrarily and indiscriminately hit the C&D buttons.
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I don't know what you mean by it's not entirely Axanar's fault. AP promoting Axanar as the first fully-professional, independent Star Trek film, setting himself up with a studio company, selling coffee and merchandise, and paying himself a 38K+ salary from donations all based on IP he doesn't own nor licensed to use sounds a whole lot like a carefully planned rival business, not a fan film.
 
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Salvek said:
Well trying to dodge the lynch mob -Im an Axanar Backer-because I like Prelude and the setting -this thread has myself either being a naive "idiot" or a worshipper of Alec Peters,-I'm neither thanks -just a Trek fan who backed a fan film-All I want to see after the legal issue is the movie going to be made-now before everyone jumps on me you have been duped etc ha ha sucker-I welcomed the JJ/Lin thing because it will take us to the true litmus test-with no legal drama-Will Axanar be made delayed or not.
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Don't worry, when it comes to animosity toward Axanar backers - my own ire is directed at the over-active/rabid few who fail to see the 'forest for the trees', or at the very least, don't want to take a breath or two and look at the information/facts that's out there. Regular people who just donated and wanted to see another fan film, I definitely have no problem with :)

In the short term, disregarding all talk of consequence/implications for the future, yeah I'd prefer JJ/Justin Lin intervening because that's what will put a definitive end to this (one way or another) sooner, rather than have it drag out and get even messier down the line.

If there are clear guidelines established and we can return to something resembling the status quo, well so much the better (seeing Alec get punished/served some humility would be icing on the cake).
 
RedForman said:
If there are clear guidelines established and we can return to something resembling the status quo, well so much the better (seeing Alec get punished/served some humility would be icing on the cake).
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Suppose the guidelines are this: No more fan films; we don't want to have to oversee any violations?
 
Salvek said:
Well trying to dodge the lynch mob -Im an Axanar Backer-because I like Prelude and the setting -this thread has myself either being a naive "idiot" or a worshipper of Alec Peters,-I'm neither thanks -just a Trek fan who backed a fan film-All I want to see after the legal issue is the movie going to be made-now before everyone jumps on me you have been duped etc ha ha sucker-I welcomed the JJ/Lin thing because it will take us to the true litmus test-with no legal drama-Will Axanar be made delayed or not.
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I don't recall anyone directly accusing you of anything so the overly defensive martyr act is a bit frivolous. No one is being thrown to the lions for liking Prelude. Kick back and enjoy the conversation.
 
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So does this mean that Axanar fans now like JJ?
 
Salvek said:
Well trying to dodge the lynch mob -Im an Axanar Backer-because I like Prelude and the setting -this thread has myself either being a naive "idiot" or a worshipper of Alec Peters,-I'm neither thanks -just a Trek fan who backed a fan film-All I want to see after the legal issue is the movie going to be made-now before everyone jumps on me you have been duped etc ha ha sucker-I welcomed the JJ/Lin thing because it will take us to the true litmus test-with no legal drama-Will Axanar be made delayed or not.
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Haven't heard anybody say anything against those who liked Axanar. I saw Prelude. I thought it was pretty good. I was also looking forward to the full length movie. It wasn't until Alec decided that he was the decider of what TruTrek (tm) is, that I began to have doubts. When I found out about the sale of unlicensed merch and the studio, I began to get angry. When he started to ban people who asked questions, I got pissed. We are all entitled to how we feel, but this was supposed to be a fan film and it turned into a professional enterprise (no pun intended, I swear). That is where my ire comes in.
 
And how does this fit in with Tommy Kraft's narrative that all fan films were going to be given Cease and Desist orders?
 
Squiggy said:
Settling is any agreement that happens outside the court room. If Alec Peters promises to never set foot in California again, that would be "settling."
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But the way they make it sound, is that it is some kind of victory for fan films. At least, that is what I'm getting from the announcement.
 
BillJ said:
But the way they make it sound, is that it is some kind of victory for fan films. At least, that is what I'm getting from the announcement.
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If it's true, the announcement should have come from the plaintiffs, not the producer and director. As I said a couple of posts ago, what if it's a pyrrhic victory and results in CBS/P saying no more fan films because they don't want to have to police them and make sure you're following the rules
 
CaptGrumpy said:
If it's true, the announcement should have come from the plaintiffs, not the producer and director. As I said a couple of posts ago, what if it's a pyrrhic victory and results in CBS/P saying no more fan films because they don't want to have to police them and make sure you're following the rules
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But I don't see how "no more fan films" would be a victory for Axanar? Why would they settle for that?
 
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So does this mean that Axanar fans now like JJ?
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Only on even numbered days when it helps AP's propaganda, on odd numbered days Axanar is better than anything CBS/P is putting out.
>ironic sarcasm in full use<
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BillJ said:
But I don't see how "no more fan films" would be a victory for Axanar? Why would they settle for that?
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"Dropping the suit" or settling isn't necessarily a victory for Axanar. It may be their only choice. I don't know. Not a lawyer, I don't play one on tv :hugegrin:. I'm just a concerned fan who kinda likes some fan films, and this worries me more than the suit did.
 
Salvek said:
Well trying to dodge the lynch mob -Im an Axanar Backer-because I like Prelude and the setting -this thread has myself either being a naive "idiot" or a worshipper of Alec Peters,-I'm neither thanks -just a Trek fan who backed a fan film-All I want to see after the legal issue is the movie going to be made-now before everyone jumps on me you have been duped etc ha ha sucker-I welcomed the JJ/Lin thing because it will take us to the true litmus test-with no legal drama-Will Axanar be made delayed or not.
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I'm trying to imagine this with proper English punctuation.
 
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