Agreed. I wonder if any apologies may be forthcoming for some of the more derogatory comments he's made to paying donors in the past?Terry's being quite reasonable. Nice to see that.
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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I suspect there might be some, but if its taken him this long to step 'from the darkness into the light' then it might be a similarly long time before they do. OTOH, he could just be wanting to convince himself he's got a clean conscience and is opening up to merely cross this off his list.
Whenever I would go to the courthouse for whatever, you could always tell the family law cases because those people screamed the loudest. Here I would be standing there, brandishing papers, asking for an extra week to do whatever, etc., that sort of thing, and then people would start yelling in the back of the court room about alimony.What - now she's gonna comment on Family Law matters (Ugh!)
[I've had to work on PC issues while family Law cases are being heard - those court employees deserve a physiological stipend so they can go see a good psychologist after having to listen to that kind of testimony for 7+ hours a day.]
I think of interesting things to ask but I keep coming back to how he spoke to donors, and lose the desire to interact. I don't really think that sort of attitude is something a person just turns on and off. They have to outgrow it, and it takes time.
I spear myself on my own anchor... But that's my own business
He pretty much went back to that. His attitude is that he's an adult he'll talk to people how he wants and it's up to them to get over it.
That's not being an adult. That's being a petulant child.
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I must admit, when I first saw the Hitler meme video way back in the mists of time on this thread, I thought "that's all folks" for the discussion!
So, now we wait to see what actual defense is filed by W&S, correct?
Meh - they'll try to argue Axanar is "Transformative" and thus falls under "Fair Use" - but in the end that won't fly
[Of course I'm just an 'armchair lawyer' myself - but I do work for a Court]
Star Trek–Horizon creator cancels Kickstarter for non-Trek 'Project Discovery' after failing to attract much backing for his $250,000 crowdfunding effort.
I've never agreed with crowd funding for fan films and always felt it would end up with someone attempting to build their personal movie factory (Studio) out of it. I also question using donors to make a studio quality movie for profit on this scale. Donors are not investors and even if they donate to a "hit" won't end up with much more than the satisfaction of knowing they helped make it happen. With Tommy's ability he really needs to seek out real investors with not only enough money to make it happen, but make it marketable.
Star Trek–Horizon creator cancels Kickstarter for non-Trek 'Project Discovery' after failing to attract much backing for his $250,000 crowdfunding effort.
You make some valid points. I don't mind the use of donations to help fund the project. But I do feel that if it's truly a fan film, then the crew should all be volunteers. Even if they are professional actors or camera operators as their day-job, they should be working on the project on their own time because they want to, not because someone is paying them to. Money should be spent only for material goods to build sets, create costumes and makeup. If you have to rent space to use as a studio, the building should be owned by a third party, not by the producer/director, to avoid conflict of interest. If the producer owns the building, he should be offering its use for free.
To me, once you start paying people to work on the project, you've crossed the line into a professional operation. At that point, you should be asking the IP holder for a license deal of some sort. And yes, this means that some of the other Trek fan-film projects fall into this category.
To me, once you start paying people to work on the project, you've crossed the line into a professional operation. At that point, you should be asking the IP holder for a license deal of some sort. And yes, this means that some of the other Trek fan-film projects fall into this category.
Sorry I was gone due to medical issues, but I have to say...
HAVE WE LEARNED NOTHING ABOUT ALEC PETERS?
Having heard Alec's side of the story, it is easy to assume he is being true and factual, and you were indeed wise to stipulate that, because it is the same damn thing he always does. Long story short, Alec is a liar. The props are screenused. The person involved is a very respectable prop collector who many of us have bought from and sold to with no problems. Alec made up bullsit and carried on in public besmirching the name of a decent man, Kevin Hansen. As a matter of fact, he is currently the owner of the Trek Prop Zone, where Alec has been persona non grata for a long time. Alec has also attacked a well-known Star Trek prop maker who had sold them to Kevin in the first place. There is backstory involving various others. Just trust me on this or I will have to return with umpteen posts from other places. Not that I have any doubts about 1,000 pages.
Alec is in no way a victim here. In fact, he is the liar and libeler (or slanderer, whatever, I never remember the difference
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I Never minded hitting Phase II donate button on their website when they came out with a new episode. They did something, it seemed fair. The more I got into crowd funding the worse I felt about it. There are studios that don't ask for money and still create episodes, not at the level of $50 - $100 thousand crowd funded studios but it's still fun to see what they can do without a big wad of money.
That's no surprise at all. Frankly, you can't just come out of the gate like that an expect to get six figures of $$$ dumped on you for something original. He needed to build up some awareness of the project separate from Trek before holding out a tin cup.
Star Trek–Horizon creator cancels Kickstarter for non-Trek 'Project Discovery' after failing to attract much backing for his $250,000 crowdfunding effort.
Which is why I put the disclaimer "assuming his statements are true and factual" in my post. I've read enough from him and about him I don't really trust anything he says it completely factual. However, like legend and myths, I suspect there is a grain of truth in the heart of his stories. I presume he actually did buy some "props", and those props probably were replicas. Were they passed off to him as real? I don't know. If, and that may be a very big "if", they were, then they weren't "replica" but rather "fakes". I presume everything that happened after that point in the story was slanted in Alec Peter's favor.
But I stand by the underlying point: people who try to sell fake props to unsuspecting fans have to be stopped. If possible, arrest them and fine / jail them to make them stop.
I was at a big game convention several years ago, and someone tried to sell my wife something "from the Star Wars set". He did this right in front of one of the actors of the show who had handled the real prop. He called security over, and they in turn called the convention managers. All they did was kick him out of the building for selling stuff without paying for a vendor's booth. I felt they should have called the police and had him charged with fraud.
But I stand by the underlying point: people who try to sell fake props to unsuspecting fans have to be stopped. If possible, arrest them and fine / jail them to make them stop.
I was at a big game convention several years ago, and someone tried to sell my wife something "from the Star Wars set". He did this right in front of one of the actors of the show who had handled the real prop. He called security over, and they in turn called the convention managers. All they did was kick him out of the building for selling stuff without paying for a vendor's booth. I felt they should have called the police and had him charged with fraud.
Yes, I agree, but in this case, he was not defrauded and they were not fake or replicas. I was probably still editing for clarity at the time you responded. They were screen-used and the provenance had been established and accepted by the auction house Profiles in History. Kevin was on his way to drop them off there when Alec BEGGED him to sell them to him. Frauds and counterfeiters do need to be stopped but false accusations are no good either. I'll tell you one thing, if any prop or costume collector who knew all three of us ranked us for honesty, Kevin and I would never be last.
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