CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Yes, but the Indiegogo books haven't been released for the $574,000 raised in that campaign so we don't know who was paid what from August 1st, 2015 to present.But according to the Axanar report, Burnett has only made $5,000 for his work thus far.
It will be a short film contest that cbs_paramount sponsored and decided what gets seen
That's a great article, thanks!
For those of you who don't want to wade through it:
"How to spot financial fraud in a non profit: 2 warning signs"
Sign #1 You can't get financial data
Sign #2 Bullying behavior by management
It's odd to me to see such vehemence, either for or against the fan filmmakers. Paramount/CBS has the right to prevent unauthorized works that use their copyrighted materials, them doing so makes them reasonably self-interested rather than either villainous or awesome. It's not admirable to try to suppress an unofficial work because it might be more liked than the official products although it certainly makes sense to do so.
I'm not really interested in watching fan productions, although it is pretty amazing that some actors have reprised their roles and I think they should be able to do so if it's non-profit (they have a non-legal right to do so), but I love some other fan fiction and don't think the official works are necessarily better.
I think "crowdfunding" in general seems shady (most of the causes seem less than inspiring) and it's interesting how successful it has been.
I'm not really interested in watching fan productions, although it is pretty amazing that some actors have reprised their roles and I think they should be able to do so if it's non-profit (they have a non-legal right to do so), but I love some other fan fiction and don't think the official works are necessarily better.
I think "crowdfunding" in general seems shady (most of the causes seem less than inspiring) and it's interesting how successful it has been.
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"Truth is, I invented fan films!" - Grandpa Simpson
Fascinating concept, there.
Is there a chance Tommy Kraft might have been paid to do all of the virtual environments? His name isn't in the 2015 Annual Report but that's a lot of work to do for free. RMB might have just threw Tommy Kraft under the bus here. Just say'n it'll be really bad if P/CBS find this.
Captured for posterity.
Captured for posterity.
They just can't help themselves. Even though its true, they just have to glom on to other people's success.
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Did he mention Horizon at all or just brag about how Tommy Kraft worked on Axanar?They just can't help themselves. Even though its true, they just have to glom on to other people's success.
To my knowledge, the only time he's mentioned Horizon in the past publicly was when he tried to deflect any criticism leveled toward him about Axanar, most notably after some heated exchanges, (I think) with Michael Hinman and others. Burnett mentions Kraft by name, but only to defend himself by drawing comparison to Tommy not being established in Hollywood the way Burnett (supposedly) is.
^^^ This! Both posts QFT.
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another reason why crowdfunding sites should require evidence of bookkeeping practises by projects (as vs say, requests to directly help pay someone's medical expenses). Though even the latter, you gotta wonder how it can survive in the long term without some way to prove what the money was spent on...
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Funny enough that they mention STAR TREK CONTINUES in that article. According to this video, they're going to start their third fundraiser, but this time on Indiegogo. I wonder if CBS would go after them next.
They just can't help themselves. Even though its true, they just have to glom on to other people's success.
Tommy actually shared what his interactions were with Axanar (confirming what Burnett says, more or less) ...
From http://1701news.com/node/1012/one-man-band-trek-fan-film-eyes-feb-28-premiere.html ...
Kraft, like many fan film producers, is well aware of that lawsuit, and is even aware of "Axanar." In fact, he did green screen work for a short related to that production, "Prelude to Axanar," which also is the subject of a lawsuit.
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Yet, one could argue that if it's about quality, "Star Trek: Horizon" should be at the very top of the CBS and Paramount hit-list. Yet it isn't.
"I can't really speak for them," Kraft said of the "Axanar" production. "But it feels much more business-driven than it does with any of the other fan projects out there. And I think that's where the lines start to get blurred."
Kraft hasn't had much communication with "Axanar" since finishing his work on "Prelude," although Peters did give the "Horizon" crowdfunding project two years ago his endorsement. But since learning of the details of the infringement complaint filed by CBS and Paramount, Kraft does understand where the two studios are coming from.
"They are billing themselves as the only professional independent Star Trek production, and you have to ask yourself, could anyone else get away with saying the same thing?" he asked. "Could Twentieth Century Fox come out and say they, too, are going to make an independent Star Trek product? No. They'd be sued faster than 'Axanar' was sued."
To clear the air, is it too late to ask him if he got paid on Prelude to Axanar?
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