CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

Discussion in 'Fan Productions' started by Richard Baker, Dec 30, 2015.

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  1. Firebird

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    Do you have a link to said interview?
     
  2. Admiral Cain

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    Yep, one guy gets shit done - the other guy talks a lot of Trek minutiae to rile up the fanboys then does nothing with the money but sit in an empty studio talking some more about how great Axanar would have been and, oh by the way it's going to be great pew pew can you send me more money please I'm broke. What a loser.
     
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  3. OtherGene

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    Exactly this. The laws are in place not to spoil peoples fun but to supposedly stop disreputable people taking advantage. In this instance the law has been demonstrably weak as, irrespective of the unenviable position Axanar may find itself in now with regards to producing what they promised (and I'm not convinced they're bothered about doing that anyway) they have taken collection of a vast sum of money and are legally not required to do anything with it but what they wish.

    Despite everything, I do think this sends out the wrong message.
     
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    Oh, glad you asked @Mr. Nova & @Admiral Cain - for fan fic, I write an original species of sentient marsupial canids (with a nasty male chauvinistic society where the women are in three castes and the lowest-level caste are euthanized when they can no longer have children. Wives are bought and sold; they are very canine and act that way but there's also that undercurrent of a society cannibalizing themselves) called the Daranaeans. The little one in my avatar is Inta, whose mother leads a petticoat revolution, and who grows up to become an artist.
     
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    A couple of things:
    1. No injunction was ever issued during the lawsuit against Axanar. CBS sought one as part of the eventual result of the lawsuit but the decision to not proceed with production was unilaterally Axanar's.
    2. People have extrapolated John Van Citters' explanation of the guidelines on the Engage podcast last year into a "policy" grandfathering fan films in some stage of production prior the issuing of the guidelines. JVC said no such thing. His comments were that CBS would not seek takedowns of films already released, nor would they do so against previously released films that were remastered or improved and then re-released. There was no talk of grandfathering unreleased productions. You can listen yourself starting at the 26:00 mark in the podcast.
    So why has CBS seemingly allowed Continues and other productions to proceed while apparently violating one guideline it the other? For the same reasons they didn't sue fan films before Axanar crossed the "don't make money" line. Like other copyright holders CBS may continue to tolerate fans' use of its IP but reserves the right to take legal action against anyone operating outside the guidelines. Violating the guidelines doesn't guarantee litigation, it just creates exposure for producers who choose to do so — a risk avoided by those who stay within the guidelines.
     
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  6. wtriker1701

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    LFIM - you did it AGAIN!
    And we should be thankful for that. Whatever steps necessary for the Axafaithful to spin the truth - THERE he shows his unmasked face again and almost succeeds in nullifying their efforts, if brief and retracted.
    Congratulations are in order!
    Go on, LFIM! Don’t let any conscience or advice ever stop you! Your truth SHOULD be out there, your intentions should be made as transparent as can be!
    Don’t ever listen to Mike Bawden again, he just holds you back. Meh!
    Show those 14.000+ faithful your true colours. IT’S YOUR DAMN RIGHT!!!
    If AXANAR can’t be made then no other fan film ever should again! Even if you so strongly support all fan films… besides the money making machine called AXANAR!
    YOUR SUPERIORITY SHALL PREVAIL, LFIM!
     
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    It was just a matter of time before LFIM would revert back to tossing other fan film under the bus.
     
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    Glad to see his fanbase seems to be getting smarter.........a year ago they would have been cheering him on. Now not so much.
     
  9. wtriker1701

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    His fanbase also seems to be getting smaller - by the minute. :lol:
     
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    Understood. Will return to my post and edit to reflect this information. I mean, as soon as I finish listening to the podcast from the point you indicate.
     
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    Suggests Axanar's ability to raise money may also be falling off quickly.

    Donors who care enough to still visit the website are the invested ones, and if they turn on him... well, like I said, he had a small window after the case ended to take the high road and show virtuousness/persecuted artistry/etc., single-mindedly actually producing and STFU about everything else. Looks like this concept passed him by. Looks like Axanar the empire is still in full blossom in his head.
     
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    Sorry, let me clarify. Imahara made comments suggesting an agreement with CBS/Paramount while speaking at an event hosted at the University of Nebraska a couple of days ago. An attendee at the event said that he was asked about future episodes of Star Trek Continues, and he passed on that information.
     
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    If he is truly the grifter that I believe him to be, he'll quickly come up with another approach to relieve the willing of their disposable income. :thumbdown:
     
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    Thanks! Gotta love my fellow Huskers for also being STC fans.
     
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    Go Big Red. (here's a little press release I found regarding that event)

    http://news.unl.edu/newsrooms/today/article/mythbuster-grant-imahara-to-speak-feb-23/

    Someone mentioned this some pages back, can't remember when, but they seemed to suggest that LFIM & his sock puppets are continuing to blither and blather, protesting their innocence, so as to keep the fans & kickstarter from throwing out lawsuits too readily. While that seems plausible to me, I wonder how long they would have to keep this up to be in the clear legally?
     
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    The statute of limitations for fraud usually hovers at around 3 years or so. That's civil - criminal is different and I'll admit I didn't specifically look up California. However, as an Internet organization, it could be argued that a tort was committed anywhere a sales occurred.

    Non-Americans can get in on a class action lawsuit, or bring one themselves in the US, BTW.

    PS Anyone looking for a criminal investigation might want to contact the fine folks at the LAPD.
     
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    So I go on holidays for a week, come back and still no independent financial report...
     
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    I guess even your reincarnation might complain about it. ;)
     
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    What part of "soon" don't you understand? ;)
     
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    No, no - it's "next week" :beer:
     
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