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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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That's exactly what happened per an interview with Grant Imahara. STC had already raised their fund for their remaining episodes before the fan film guildlines were released. They approached CBS/Paramount, and asked for permission to allow the production to fulfill the episodes they raised money for from donor contributions. They were given permission to complete the episodes.

Do you have a link to said interview?
 
Let's be honest; there is a huge difference in a true non-profit production that has raised money and have done everything they stated they would do compared to Axanar who took in huge sums of money and said a bunch of great things but really did not do anything they said they would. It is interesting to look at the results of both; STC in the end will have produced 11 episodes for less than half of the money of what Axanar raised. All Axanar produced is a 20 min. greenscreen / CGI short and the infamous "Vulcan scene". It seems clear why CBS would have issues with Axanar. This is what drives me crazy about these people who bitch about CBS being against the fans; THEY DID THIS TO PROTECT THE FANS from what appears to be a con man.
Yep, one guy gets shit done - the other guy talks a lot of Trek minutiae to rile up the fanboys then does nothing with the money but sit in an empty studio talking some more about how great Axanar would have been and, oh by the way it's going to be great pew pew can you send me more money please I'm broke. What a loser.
 
Let's be honest; there is a huge difference in a true non-profit production that has raised money and have done everything they stated they would do compared to Axanar who took in huge sums of money and said a bunch of great things but really did not do anything they said they would. It is interesting to look at the results of both; STC in the end will have produced 11 episodes for less than half of the money of what Axanar raised. All Axanar produced is a 20 min. greenscreen / CGI short and the infamous "Vulcan scene" which was also green screen / CGI. It seems clear why CBS would have issues with Axanar. This is what drives me crazy about these people who bitch about CBS being against the fans; THEY DID THIS TO PROTECT THE FANS from what appears to be a con man.
Exactly this. The laws are in place not to spoil peoples fun but to supposedly stop disreputable people taking advantage. In this instance the law has been demonstrably weak as, irrespective of the unenviable position Axanar may find itself in now with regards to producing what they promised (and I'm not convinced they're bothered about doing that anyway) they have taken collection of a vast sum of money and are legally not required to do anything with it but what they wish.

Despite everything, I do think this sends out the wrong message.
 
Oh, glad you asked @Mr. Nova & @Admiral Cain - for fan fic, I write an original species of sentient marsupial canids (with a nasty male chauvinistic society where the women are in three castes and the lowest-level caste are euthanized when they can no longer have children. Wives are bought and sold; they are very canine and act that way but there's also that undercurrent of a society cannibalizing themselves) called the Daranaeans. The little one in my avatar is Inta, whose mother leads a petticoat revolution, and who grows up to become an artist.
 
Nuh uh, nope, fact-checking shows what is said there is inaccurate.

It went like this:

Late 2012/early 2013 STC maps a Project to produce closure to Star Trek's original five year mission that its 'own' TPTB cut short by two years. STC's Original Series Completion Project would have a finite number of episodes.

2013 STC released the first episode in their Original Series Completion Project. (which as soon as I found it I also immediately became a donor)

2014 STC releases two more episodes in their Original Series Completion Project.

2015 STC releases two more episodes in their Original Series Completion Project.

End of December 2015 CBS/P filed a lawsuit on the production & defendant. An injunction was placed on it.

No other productions in process heard from them.

In early 2016 Tommy Kraft releases Horizon. No dissent is heard from C/P.

During that same time STC runs a crowdfund to finance its final productions in its Original Series Completion Project. No dissent is heard from C/P at the time. (Mr. Mignogna also stated he would not play Capt. Kirk after the Project completed because his age would not allow him to pull it off believably.)

Mr. Kraft then announces his plan to crowdfund and create his second Star Trek movie. He receives a call from CBS respectfully (as per Mr. Kraft) suggesting his newly planned second crowdfunded ST movie may need to be rethought at that particular time because of the on-going lawsuit with the production.

I 'think' this is the time the injunction against the production was lifted and they were permitted to make it at their discretion.

STC continues its production on the final episodes of their Original Series Completion Project.

Thiswholething was becoming full blown and nasty in Every Way during this time. Crowdfunding was not doing well. Private donors to STC stepped in to complete the funds needed for the final episodes in the STC Project which would conclude their own five year mission plan for their Original Series Completion Project.

The Guidelines are posted.

2016 STC releases another episode in their Original Series Completion Project.

I have not heard about any dissent from C/P for that 'single' episode or the completion of the STC series completion 'Project' as a whole body.

Therefore, since STC is producing to completion their Project one could reasonably assumed that their Original Series Completion 'Project' is being considered as a whole work already funded and in active production with large blocks of it already finished and up, and therefore the final parts (episodes) in the finite Original Series Completion 'Project', funded and in various stages of Very Active Production, are being permitted to grandfather in as per Mr. Van Citters' confirmation that productions already in progress were exempt from the guidelines.
A couple of things:
  1. No injunction was ever issued during the lawsuit against Axanar. CBS sought one as part of the eventual result of the lawsuit but the decision to not proceed with production was unilaterally Axanar's.
  2. People have extrapolated John Van Citters' explanation of the guidelines on the Engage podcast last year into a "policy" grandfathering fan films in some stage of production prior the issuing of the guidelines. JVC said no such thing. His comments were that CBS would not seek takedowns of films already released, nor would they do so against previously released films that were remastered or improved and then re-released. There was no talk of grandfathering unreleased productions. You can listen yourself starting at the 26:00 mark in the podcast.
So why has CBS seemingly allowed Continues and other productions to proceed while apparently violating one guideline it the other? For the same reasons they didn't sue fan films before Axanar crossed the "don't make money" line. Like other copyright holders CBS may continue to tolerate fans' use of its IP but reserves the right to take legal action against anyone operating outside the guidelines. Violating the guidelines doesn't guarantee litigation, it just creates exposure for producers who choose to do so — a risk avoided by those who stay within the guidelines.
 
Happy to oblige. Especially since he indulged his cowardice and deleted the entire thread.

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LFIM - you did it AGAIN!
And we should be thankful for that. Whatever steps necessary for the Axafaithful to spin the truth - THERE he shows his unmasked face again and almost succeeds in nullifying their efforts, if brief and retracted.
Congratulations are in order!
Go on, LFIM! Don’t let any conscience or advice ever stop you! Your truth SHOULD be out there, your intentions should be made as transparent as can be!
Don’t ever listen to Mike Bawden again, he just holds you back. Meh!
Show those 14.000+ faithful your true colours. IT’S YOUR DAMN RIGHT!!!
If AXANAR can’t be made then no other fan film ever should again! Even if you so strongly support all fan films… besides the money making machine called AXANAR!
YOUR SUPERIORITY SHALL PREVAIL, LFIM!
 
A couple of things:
  1. No injunction was ever issued during the lawsuit against Axanar. CBS sought one as part of the eventual result of the lawsuit but the decision to not proceed with production was unilaterally Axanar's.
  2. People have extrapolated John Van Citters' explanation of the guidelines on the Engage podcast last year into a "policy" grandfathering fan films in some stage of production prior the issuing of the guidelines. JVC said no such thing. His comments were that CBS would not seek takedowns of films already released, nor would they do so against previously released films that were remastered or improved and then re-released. There was no talk of grandfathering unreleased productions. You can listen yourself starting at the 26:00 mark in the podcast.
Understood. Will return to my post and edit to reflect this information. I mean, as soon as I finish listening to the podcast from the point you indicate.
 
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Glad to see his fanbase seems to be getting smarter.........a year ago they would have been cheering him on. Now not so much.

His fanbase also seems to be getting smaller - by the minute. :lol:

Suggests Axanar's ability to raise money may also be falling off quickly.

Donors who care enough to still visit the website are the invested ones, and if they turn on him... well, like I said, he had a small window after the case ended to take the high road and show virtuousness/persecuted artistry/etc., single-mindedly actually producing and STFU about everything else. Looks like this concept passed him by. Looks like Axanar the empire is still in full blossom in his head.
 
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Do you have a link to said interview?

Sorry, let me clarify. Imahara made comments suggesting an agreement with CBS/Paramount while speaking at an event hosted at the University of Nebraska a couple of days ago. An attendee at the event said that he was asked about future episodes of Star Trek Continues, and he passed on that information.
 
Suggests Axanar's ability to raise money may also be falling off quickly.

Donors who care enough to still visit the website are the invested ones, and if they turn on him... well, like I said, he had a small window after the case ended to take the high road and show virtuousness/persecuted artistry/etc., single-mindedly actually producing and STFU about everything else. Looks like this concept passed him by. Looks like Axanar the empire is still in full blossom in his head.
If he is truly the grifter that I believe him to be, he'll quickly come up with another approach to relieve the willing of their disposable income. :thumbdown:
 
Sorry, let me clarify. Imahara made comments suggesting an agreement with CBS/Paramount while speaking at an event hosted at the University of Nebraska a couple of days ago. An attendee at the event said that he was asked about future episodes of Star Trek Continues, and he passed on that information.

Thanks! Gotta love my fellow Huskers for also being STC fans.
 
Thanks! Gotta love my fellow Huskers for also being STC fans.

Go Big Red. (here's a little press release I found regarding that event)

http://news.unl.edu/newsrooms/today/article/mythbuster-grant-imahara-to-speak-feb-23/

Someone mentioned this some pages back, can't remember when, but they seemed to suggest that LFIM & his sock puppets are continuing to blither and blather, protesting their innocence, so as to keep the fans & kickstarter from throwing out lawsuits too readily. While that seems plausible to me, I wonder how long they would have to keep this up to be in the clear legally?
 
The statute of limitations for fraud usually hovers at around 3 years or so. That's civil - criminal is different and I'll admit I didn't specifically look up California. However, as an Internet organization, it could be argued that a tort was committed anywhere a sales occurred.

Non-Americans can get in on a class action lawsuit, or bring one themselves in the US, BTW.

PS Anyone looking for a criminal investigation might want to contact the fine folks at the LAPD.
 
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