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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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I'll say this. Peters is right, CBS/Paramount are just temporary owners of Star Trek.
I'm planning on buying it.
I will, however, be using a Kickstarter campaign to raise funds. If you contribute, I'll probably eventually send you a patch or something.
Please contribute, won't you?
 
Noname Given said:
As for his second point: For a "Lawyer by Training" he really doesn't seem to understand the situation he's in. He's not in a lawsuit to take control of anything. Even were he to get off with no financial penalties; the case is NOT about who owns/controls the Star Trek franchise. That is NOT in dispute at all. There's nothing 'temporary' about Paramount's ownership/control as they're had it since they (well Gulf+Western actually who also at the time acquired Paramount Studios) purchased Desilu Studios in 1967.
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A big part of the defense of this case is apparently the chain of copyright in regards to Star Trek. The defense believes that there was a lapse in copyright at some point or that it was not transferred correctly.

Just saw Beyond again today and to steal a line from McCoy: that's "horse shit." Entertainment companies are completely driven by the idea of intellectual property. The idea that the owners of one of the most-successful and longest-running franchises in history would let something like that lapse is both moronic and presumptuous.
 
Sgt_G said:
Out of 140 million Trek fans in the USA and one point four billion Trek fans worldwide. I'm impressed.
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And out of his 14,000 donors, how many would take their cash back if not for Axanar saying "no refunds"?

How about they send a mailing saying "get your patches OR get your money back at our new site"? Think they have the courage/integrity?
 
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Campe98 said:
A big part of the defense of this case is apparently the chain of copyright in regards to Star Trek. The defense believes that there was a lapse in copyright at some point or that it was not transferred correctly.

Just saw Beyond again today and to steal a line from McCoy: that's "horse shit." Entertainment companies are completely driven by the idea of intellectual property. The idea that the owners of one of the most-successful and longest-running franchises in history would let something like that lapse is both moronic and presumptuous.
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It is a civil case and I believe that is driven by "preponderance of evidence" not "beyond reasonable doubt". The challenge to the ownership records is no doubt a legal poison pill tactic. And for Axanar, a righteous fig leaf to hide behind.
 
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Excuse me, I'd just like to ask a question.
What does a creative mind need with Star Trek?
I understand all the studios recreating Star Trek sets, putting together a personal vision of a Star Trek adventure and sharing it with the public but the audacity to assume your going to rein over the Star Trek universe is incredible.
We might have all had different reasons but we have all ended up in the same place.
I was reminded of this just yesterday. A magazine writer got a hold of me some months back after he was involved in a project I contributed to and expressed the desire to experience script writing. I checked out some of his work, found him credible and so I dusted off an old unedited "Outer Limits" type short story I never finished. Starship Endeavour filmed their first episode yesterday and photos of the shoot were posted late in the afternoon. Every picture reflects nothing but a bunch of people having a blast and that's what fan films is about.
Next you have to give Peters and his team their props, 14,000 donors, professional participation, awards left and right, maybe a million rose colored views right off the bat but the poor guy has zero creativity. If you want to create something, create it, don't steal it and claim it as your own. So I ask. What does a creative mind need with Star Trek?
Perhaps the Talosian Keeper would answer with:
Captain Garth has an illusion, and you have reality. May you find your way as pleasant."
 
We did talk about the Axa depositions today, early in the show. Blog post and YouTube to follow.

Plus! Semantic Shenanigans spinoff is coming together. We're going to tape the first episode to get all the bugs out, and that will be (highly likely) on October 17, with blog post and YouTube to follow from that. SS will be about law, scholarship, and fandom so it's not confined to just Trek. But the first episode will be rather directly related to the Axa mishigas.

Many thanks, as always, for your kind support. :)
 
muCephi said:
And out of his 14,000 donors, how many would take their cash back if not for Axanar saying "no refunds"?

How about they send a mailing saying "get your patches OR get your money back at our new site"? Think they have the courage/integrity?
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I don't think they have the money. :lol:
 
jespah said:
We did talk about the Axa depositions today, early in the show. Blog post and YouTube to follow.
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Am listening to the Sept 12th cast right now. jespah & Terri spelling out for me that mailout for the prop sale company using the production's list of donors.


There's a fan film using someone else's IP. Which has been tolerated for decades mostly. The fan film then uses two crowdsourced fundings to make the film that is labeled by the film maker as the first Independent Star Trek Fan Made Movie, and it will be a non-revenue production. With an additional crowdsourced funding to construct everything needed to make the fan film movie the best one ever made.

The fan film producer then takes the list of donors in the multiple crowdfunds for every aspect of the production's costs, without permission from we the donors, that was to be made with someone's else's legal property..... and uses it to advertise to We The Donors the very much in every aspect For Profit Business that is entirely separate from the production.

Which is using this list, without the express permission from the people 'on' the list.... gotten from crowdfunding for this non-profit Independent Star Trek Fan Movie made with someone else's IP.... to generate revenue for a separate For Profit Business.

Therefore a clear line from the non-profit IP fan movie to a For Profit Business revenue using the IP holder's property.

Thanks, G&T.
 
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ThankYouGeneR said:
Am listening to the Sept 12th cast right now. jespah & Terri spelling out for me that mailout for the prop sale company using the production's list of donors.


There's a fan film using someone else's IP. Which has been tolerated for decades mostly. The fan film then uses two crowdsourced fundings to make the film that is labeled by the film maker as the first Independent Star Trek Fan Made Movie, and it will be a non-revenue production. With an additional crowdsourced funding to construct everything needed to make the fan film movie the best one ever made.

The fan film producer then takes the list of donors in the multiple crowdfunds for every aspect of the production's costs, without permission from we the donors, that was to be made with someone's else's legal property..... and uses it to advertise to We The Donors the very much in every aspect For Profit Business that is entirely separate from the production.

Which is using this list, without the express permission from the people 'on' the list.... gotten from crowdfunding for this non-profit Independent Star Trek Fan Movie made with someone else's IP.... to generate revenue for a separate For Profit Business.

Therefore a clear line from the non-profit IP fan movie to a For Profit Business revenue using the IP holder's property.

Thanks, G&T.
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:)

Far as I am concerned, it is a very clear, bright, straight line from Axa to personal financial gain for AP.
 
Campe98 said:
Entertainment companies are completely driven by the idea of intellectual property. The idea that the owners of one of the most-successful and longest-running franchises in history would let something like that lapse is both moronic and presumptuous.
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It's not something I'd bet the house on, and it probably is presumptuous. But moronic? I think that goes too far.

When Desilu gave Gulf + Western ownership of Trek, Trek was a badly failing first-run TV show about to head to the Friday Death Slot. When G+W spun off Trek over to Paramount, Trek was a pretty solid syndicated TV show with two movie sequels with no third in the works. It's not at all difficult to imagine some corporate lawyers not paying adequate attention to the transfers.

Of course, after that, Star Trek was indeed a big deal, but it's changed hands quite a number of times, and copyright transfer between giant media conglomerates is a complicated legal maneuver. As anyone who's worked in a big company knows, things get lost in the shuffle and not discovered for years. All Axanar needs to find is one error at one point in the chain of copyright custody, and it can bring down the whole copyright claim. It's not crazy to think they might. Such things have been discovered from time to time before.

On the other hand, CBS/P has undoubtedly taken careful stock of its copyright chain-of-custody by now, and, if they were vulnerable, they surely would have discovered it by now and settled the suit for fear of that evidence getting out. So I'm betting they produce the documents in open court and everything is in order.
 
Wowbagger said:
Of course, after that, Star Trek was indeed a big deal, but it's changed hands quite a number of times, and copyright transfer between giant media conglomerates is a complicated legal maneuver. As anyone who's worked in a big company knows, things get lost in the shuffle and not discovered for years. All Axanar needs to find is one error at one point in the chain of copyright custody, and it can bring down the whole copyright claim. It's not crazy to think they might. Such things have been discovered from time to time before.
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I doubt Axanar could get that far. Assuming there were flaws in the copyright chain that CBS is as of yet unaware, I can't see how it would impact CBS's ownership of the Star Trek property. @jespah or @oswriter, can you please clarify?
 
Jedman67 said:
I doubt Axanar could get that far. Assuming there were flaws in the copyright chain that CBS is as of yet unaware, I can't see how it would impact CBS's ownership of the Star Trek property. @jespah or @oswriter, can you please clarify?
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I don't think it would matter much. Let's say it turns out Luci Arnaz Luckinbill suddenly owns Trek.

I doubt she'd want to see the IP infringed upon, either, particularly as that is directly related to cash flow.

Oh, oops, forgot to add these:
http://www.gandtshow.com/g-t-show-252-klingon-crushing/
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Axa discussion happens something like 5 minutes in.

Thank you for your kind support.
 
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