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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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jamestyler said:
I've got a screencap somewhere from one of the team that suggests all Axanar's fair use. I'll have to dig it out.


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I thought I was being generous :(
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:( Just one cent less than the minimum...
 
RedForman said:
This ought to get him going then............
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looking at the eBayers other sales, this isnt Alec Peters, but he should be moving to get this taken down, because if he does CBS will be alot more harsh about it.

Since I play fair, I also put Star Trek Continues into the search box, and found (including) a Vic and a Michelle autograph, both mentioning Star Trek in the item titles, both with them in character wearing Star Trek IP.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VIC-MIGNO...511146?hash=item2111f9e76a:g:8SUAAOSw-4BXbWDx

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Star-Trek...518257?hash=item236aac16b1:g:L1IAAOSwQupXULwt

both are sold by accounts that are not Star Trek Continues.

I had not thought about 4th parties trying to cash in on the fan films before, but this kind of thing maybe exactly why the guidelines are needed, and need to be enforced. There is of course a middle ground, where you can sell a Vic autograph, minus Star Trek IP, and with no mention of Star Trek IP in the listing, but that is not what we have here. I do wonder how much policing the fan films can do of this kind of thing.

You would have to give Alec Peters and Axanar Productions a moon size benefit of the doubt to over look everything, but its clear that in for a productions who respect CBS, if you really wanted to ensure that no one makes any money from that fan films use of Star Trek IP, its a massive issue, one the fan films themselves can not easily handle.
 
This is why, I am sure, physical perks are on the 'no' list. You get exactly this scenario. Plus you get the shipping issue. Setting aside everything else, the creation and maintenance of a large database, plus physically getting items out the door, is a pretty big undertaking. It certainly should have been done by now (please don't misunderstand me), but it's a far cry from just putting something up electronically.

Make a movie and put it up electronically? Delivery is nearly instantaneous. Send out an email newsletter to your fans and a certain percentage of the addresses bounce but you don't care because that doesn't cost you a dime. Someone copies it and pirates it? No biggie, not really, as that helps to increase your fan base (after all, you're not supposed to be making money on this stuff).

Make a movie and have it pressed onto DVDs? Delivery requires postage, and international rates are high. The case needs artwork which may not look as good on the package as it does on the screen. You might want to add a 'making of' booklet or the like, which also requires effort and you can't correct typos after the print run if the booklets are already stuffed into envelopes. Packaging requires some padding so things don't break in transit. And your mailing list needs to be as correct as possible because this stuff costs serious money, so you want it to go out and not get back to you under 'return to sender'. Data correction and sanitizing is time-consuming and expensive. And this doesn't even get into how you can potentially be ripped off by an international DVD maker if you go that route. Or maybe you're not being ripped off but their idea of a rush job is not necessarily the same as yours, unless you pony up more money.

Resales are also going to happen, and if you have fulfillment problems but some of your earlier customers (let's call them what they are; they are customers) are reselling, then your later customers have every right to be pissed. Instead of resales netting you more fans, they are more likely to aggravate your current base.

Without anything nefarious happening, there are lots of reasons for physical perks to be delayed. Hence eliminating them, despite some fans' misplaced outrage, truly is better for fan film makers.
 
jespah said:
This is why, I am sure, physical perks are on the 'no' list. You get exactly this scenario. Plus you get the shipping issue. Setting aside everything else, the creation and maintenance of a large database, plus physically getting items out the door, is a pretty big undertaking. It certainly should have been done by now (please don't misunderstand me), but it's a far cry from just putting something up electronically.

Make a movie and put it up electronically? Delivery is nearly instantaneous. Send out an email newsletter to your fans and a certain percentage of the addresses bounce but you don't care because that doesn't cost you a dime. Someone copies it and pirates it? No biggie, not really, as that helps to increase your fan base (after all, you're not supposed to be making money on this stuff).

Make a movie and have it pressed onto DVDs? Delivery requires postage, and international rates are high. The case needs artwork which may not look as good on the package as it does on the screen. You might want to add a 'making of' booklet or the like, which also requires effort and you can't correct typos after the print run if the booklets are already stuffed into envelopes. Packaging requires some padding so things don't break in transit. And your mailing list needs to be as correct as possible because this stuff costs serious money, so you want it to go out and not get back to you under 'return to sender'. Data correction and sanitizing is time-consuming and expensive. And this doesn't even get into how you can potentially be ripped off by an international DVD maker if you go that route. Or maybe you're not being ripped off but their idea of a rush job is not necessarily the same as yours, unless you pony up more money.

Resales are also going to happen, and if you have fulfillment problems but some of your earlier customers (let's call them what they are; they are customers) are reselling, then your later customers have every right to be pissed. Instead of resales netting you more fans, they are more likely to aggravate your current base.

Without anything nefarious happening, there are lots of reasons for physical perks to be delayed. Hence eliminating them, despite some fans' misplaced outrage, truly is better for fan film makers.
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So if you knew that and we all knew that why do you think those high achievers at Axanar didn't?
 
eBay is a wretched hive of scum and villainy when it comes to the selling of bootleg merchandise. There's little recourse to have items taken down, even if you are the legitimate rights holder.

The "report item" button is a joke. I have used it over a hundred times at work to report sellers of bootleg home video, and not once have I seen eBay terminate an account or a listing because of it. I don't work at a major studio, of course, but we're not dealing with insignificant properties being ripped off.
 
Harvey said:
The "report item" button is a joke. I have used it over a hundred times at work to report sellers of bootleg home video, and not once have I seen eBay terminate an account or a listing because of it. I don't work at a major studio, of course, but we're not dealing with insignificant properties being ripped off.
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I bid on and won a bootleg of the Star Wars Radio Series once. Didn't know it was bootleg, but after the auction ended, I was notified by eBay, that it was a bootleg and that I wasn't required to pay for it and would not be penalized for the action.
It was a few years ago, so things must have gone downhill since then. Sad to see that.
 
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