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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Potemkin_Prod said:
The way I choose to interpret it is that a single story cannot become a series or a number of episodes. You can't have 12 episodes to tell your tale. It does not address characters returning.
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How do you make reference to backstory of a character without creating a continuity between episodes that could be seen as a series? What story fabric makes a series? I see you are viewing a "series" as one story spanning multiple 30 mins. But TOS had different stories and was a "series".

This would be a good question for the CBS rep, or not, depending on whether one wants a ruling now or later. I'd personally go for later.. I hope your view is the one that aligns with theirs.
 
Im comfortable with my interpretation. A character is a self-contained construct.

I think TPTB are simply putting a stop to us calling say, Starship Lollipop a fan film series.
 
Potemkin_Prod said:
Im comfortable with my interpretation. A character is a self-contained construct.

I think TPTB are simply putting a stop to us calling say, Starship Lollipop a fan film series.
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Or Axanar a four year campaign across endless spinoffs and novelizations :guffaw:

Hope you are right. I took it initially to mean nothing that could introduce continuity between episodes other than material borrowed from the franchise. Eg pure Twilight Zone stand alones as dreamt by Star Fleet redshirts :lol:.
 
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muCephi said:
Or Axanar a four year campaign across endless spinoffs and novelizations :guffaw:Hope you are right. I took it initially to mean nothing that could introduce continuity between episodes other than material borrowed from the franchise. Eg pure Twilight Zone stand alones as dreamt by Star Fleet redshirts :lol:.
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Twilight Zone and Outer Limits are both series without recurring characters. ;) No prohibitions Yet against recurring characters. I also think there may be a prohibition against sequels to the official Star Trek episodes.
 
cultcross said:
Maybe that's what your sense of fairness says - I think it's entirely fair that we don't force people who own intellectual property to bankrupt themselves defending it, or lose it. It would basically mean that you could control any IP you wanted by making enough infractions to overwhelm the resources of the owner to defend it. Easy to side with the little guy against the big corporation, but apply the morals to those who don't have billions of dollars - artists, authors, cartoonists, small publishers, etc. Even a mega corporation like Disney would struggle to enforce every copyright violation out there for its properties.
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This.
Turbo said:
Christ. They're actually going to Kickstart a documentary about this entire debacle? Are they out of their gorram minds? Oh, wait, yes they are.

Man, Peters really is Garth of Izar.
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Where's that Federation Mental Hospital when you need it?

Ryan Thomas Riddle said:
As Christian Gossest said in his G&T Show interview, Alec wants to be Rick Berman.

I always wanted to be my own Gene Roddenberry and create my own universe, inspired by the fiction that came before me.
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Me too.
 
John Van Citters from CBS just gave an surprisingly informative interview about the Trek Guidelines. The fear and fainting in many quarters is unnecessary. As many people figured, Citters was quite clear they are trying to return some sense of normalcy to making a fan film, ending the celebrity-arms (and legs, and faces) race and the expanding warp bubble of crowd-fund sums to make fan films.

And fuck Axanar. While not explicitly stated, that was quite clear. :-)

Have a listen: https://overcast.fm/+GuW5Epb-k
 
Jody Wheeler said:
John Van Citters from CBS just gave an surprisingly informative interview about the Trek Guidelines. The fear and fainting in many quarters is unnecessary. As many people figured, Citters was quite clear they are trying to return some sense of normalcy to making a fan film, ending the celebrity-arms (and legs, and faces) race and the expanding warp bubble of crowd-fund sums to make fan films.

And fuck Axanar. While not explicitly stated, that was quite clear. :-)

Have a listen: https://overcast.fm/+GuW5Epb-k
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Almost done with it...........It IS a great listen and I like the guy a LOT. He seems very in tune with most SANE fans. Very knowledgeable sounding Trek guy too.
 
AP is doing a better job of getting his message out to the public, simply because C/P is content to make their statement in the courtroom.

I also have no doubt the case will go to trial. There's no way AP will accept any settlement that doesn't make him look like the hero.
 
Yeah, he answered a lot of questions most of us have been asking here. The gist I got was continues, new voyages are done how they have been produced and financed...most other fan films will be unaffected by this.
 
Mark Boeder said:
AP is doing a better job of getting his message out to the public, simply because C/P is content to make their statement in the courtroom.

I also have no doubt the case will go to trial. There's no way AP will accept any settlement that doesn't make him look like the hero.
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Not really. Most people don't care. We are a subset of star trek fans...a very small one I might add...and AP lives in an echo chamber. Frankly, I want this to go to court.
 
BillJ said:
I think this is part of the puzzle. If people admit they were scammed they would feel stupid, so they go along.
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I donated $25, I don't feel stupid and I don't think way back when I donated it was a scam but it definitly is a scam now.
 
Pindar said:
I donated $25, I don't feel stupid and I don't think way back when I donated it was a scam but it definitly is a scam now.
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I don't think anybody should feel stupid but I think that sometimes pride and money go hand in hand and maybe some people feel reluctant to admit they've backed the wrong horse. If I'd donated money I think I'd feel aggrieved at how things had turned out but it'd be no tarnish on my soul and no reflection on my intelligence either.

But that's me. I like to admit my mistakes and move on. Quicker and cleaner.

And if Burnett produces his Battle Of Axanar documentary (and he's certainly talking it up on Twitter - it sounds like it's as good as made on there) it will be just the fuel the faithful need to sustain them even longer. He's described some of what he's recorded already as "explosive" which I take to mean he has footage of somebody who's very angry that they couldn't do what they wanted and that's exactly what the faithful want now. Reaffirmation.

And I'm sure Burnett will have no problem funding it. The Axanar fans will happily donate particularly as it may mean they finally get copies of the CGI footage that's been laying dormant all this time even though they've already paid for that.
 
Jody Wheeler said:
John Van Citters from CBS just gave an surprisingly informative interview about the Trek Guidelines. The fear and fainting in many quarters is unnecessary. As many people figured, Citters was quite clear they are trying to return some sense of normalcy to making a fan film, ending the celebrity-arms (and legs, and faces) race and the expanding warp bubble of crowd-fund sums to make fan films.

And fuck Axanar. While not explicitly stated, that was quite clear. :-)

Have a listen: https://overcast.fm/+GuW5Epb-k
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Was a good listen, glad to see this guy is level headed and not some soulless corporate drone as I'm sure the Axalytes would paint him as. Speaking of that though, this interview should really be pushed and pushed to that camp - I have a feeling if some just took a breather, sat down and listened to this for a moment, they would start to consider changing their tune.......
 
The podcast does help Axanar in one way though, however minor. He says that the guidelines have been coming down the pike for a long time now, and that they aren't directly related to the court case. "Ah, of course he would say that!" some will cry, but if you can't take him at his word on that point, then...

Doesn't mean the "Thanks a lot, Alec!" stuff will go away though. ;)
 
Tosk said:
The podcast does help Axanar in one way though, however minor. He says that the guidelines have been coming down the pike for a long time now, and that they aren't directly related to the court case. "Ah, of course he would say that!" some will cry, but if you can't take him at his word on that point, then...

Doesn't mean the "Thanks a lot, Alec!" stuff will go away though. ;)
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It doesn't help them as CBS/P are not legally required to enforce their copyright. What it shows you is that Renegades was probably strike 1 with how it was funded, perks etc. Star Trek Continues and New Voyages with perks for donations strike 2 Axanar was strike 3 with merchandising and the donor store. What it tells me is that Axanar was the tipping point where they had to step in but if it was not them it would have been someone else eventually.
 
I believe my use of the word "help" is being misconstrued. I don't mean it will help them in any way getting the film made or with the court case, I only meant that it makes clear something that would be decried as a lie if it came from Team Axanar. "The guidelines aren't our fault!"
 
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