CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

Discussion in 'Fan Productions' started by jespah, May 10, 2018.

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  1. jespah

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    Ooh, triple my donation on Thursday! I only got one thing to say on that, "Not gonna do it, not gonna do it."
     
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    Three times zero is still zero.

    In other news, here's an interesting story of another Indiegogo campaign where the guy swore he knew what he was doing and would definitely deliver the goods (a foldable phone/laptop hybrid, in this case) but then just took the money and spent it on himself: https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/13/...-indiegogo-crowdfunding-phone-scam-fraud-case

    Not that we know of anyone else like that.
     
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    My God. I highly recommend reading the article in its entirety.

    And this is why I want governmental oversight for crowdfunding platforms. People have zero protection. There is no FTC for crowdfunding. There is no Lemon Law. Is it a sale? If it is, then the UCC (Uniform Commercial Code, yo) should apply. If not, then we are in the wild of black letter contract law. Maybe.

    I believe that all it's really going to take, sorry to say, is someone dying via the use of a crowdfunded product.
     
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    It feels like FOMO guides a lot of decisions for people contributing to these terrible campaigns. "I just gotta have it!" "If I don't get it now, I can't afford it."
     
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    Even The Verge seems to mix Donating with investing.
     
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    CBS/Viacom merger is on again. Bye bye Les, hello to more Shari.
     
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    I think that should be required reading for everybody interested in contributing to a crowdfunding campaign.
    I have to admit, some of the stuff that Batio did, does sound a bit familiar.........
    I think at this point if we don't see real definite proof that they are filming the first short in October any question of whether or not this has been a same will be gone for me. Up til now I've still thought there a chance that Alec really did have good intentions and just got carried away, but we've reach the point now where he either needs to put up, or shut the fuck up.
     
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    Les has been gone for almost a year.
     
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    Fired yes, gone .... not so much.
    Les wants his 120 million exit package, CBS feels that with the sex charges against Les, he was fired for cause. I'm not sure what the result the binding arbitration Les demanded.
     
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    I do agree that the axanar guy is pretty shady. Nor am I confident he will actually ever finish it.
    ( however I will watch it if it comes out, because why not. Sure the guy is shady but im a pretty sure that most people in Hollywood don’t exactly have crystal clear pasts).
    CBS overreacted with this stupid guidelines for fan films. Because we all know why CBS put in these guidelines. They want to soak up all possible revenue from Star Trek. fan films have the possibility of putting a damper on those funds.
    All this does is makes it harder for other fan films. Like one that is coming out that explores the Romulan war ( by the way this fan film is not run by the axanar guy nor is the guy running it a axanar guy. You should check it out) Frankly it’s probably one of the more selfish things they have done over the years. However, I do believe that you will reap what you sow... Well at least they get money from the non cannon books I think, so there’s no reason for them to hamper that.
     
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    Certain producers of fan films sorta pushed CBS into making them. For decades, CBS did nothing, said nothing, and allowed fan films to go on their merry way...

    ...until a certain producer decided to start a for profit business on the back of Star Trek IP...

    Now, CBS could have ended ALL fan films... but, they, instead, decided to limit them, to deescalate what had become an increasing business of fan films...

    Because certain fan films went to far?

    I guess that's a possibility. And, yeah, if the copyright owner found out that people were stealing their IP and their audience, they should get annoyed.

    Star Trek is literally theirs. There is nothing selfish about protecting your business. They have been incredibly welcoming of fan films for decades.

    The guidelines place limits, sure, but these are fan films, they shouldn't be million dollar movies.

    They shouldn't get ANY money from Star Trek. It's not theirs.
     
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    I’m not saying they should get money from it in fact many fan films can barely fund them self let alone make any money. And I was going to edit to make a very clear that I find all this to be the Axanar guys fault that if he have not tried to make money off of this (which I find wrong because I do agree with you it’s not theirs. Although I never said it was) we would not have these guidelines. I’m in the end I really don’t have a problem with them except for the one where you’re basically limit it to 30 minutes that’s it. no sequels. Amateur actors got no problem with that. ( Hollywood actors to be overrated anyways) keeping it clean? definitely got no problem with that. I am all for copyright laws and I and I’m all against people stealing your trademarks. But I feel that putting up these guidelines are hampering other people who did nothing wrong. By the way I was talking about the fact that CBS gets money for the Non cannon books not the axanar people or any body who is not cbs.
     
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  19. Professor Zoom

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    What’s wrong with 30 minutes?
     
  20. Krandor

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    The important think here is that he has been taken to court and found GUILTY of fraud. He could face up to 240 years in prison. Sentencing in September.