"Cause & Effect" Question

[LeadHead]

Was it a very ilogical choice for Data to send the Number 3 as the message into the next time loop? Shouldn't it have been 1? After all, Riker made the suggestion and even though he personaly doesn't refer to him as Number One, he has heard that reference hundreds if not thousands of times. Not to mention that Riker's suggestion was the 1st one. What do you think?

 

[startrekwatcher]

I've always liked the choice of "3". I thought it was an interesting idea and allowed for more interesting scenes of it repeatedly showing up than "1" especially in the poker game.

Other than that one of Brannon's finest hours as evidenced by the way other shows have copied it although to lesser effect.

 

[sbk1234]

Well, it worked, so obviously it was the right choice!

 

[Tosk]

No, "3" was the most logical choice.

After all, Data had to send a message that only past Data had to interpret...and who better to know how he thinks than himself?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Three makes more sense, IMHO, since it's purely a visual cue (i.e. rank pips on Riker's uniform) and more likely to be noticed first.

 

[cultcross]

The thing that always got me with the reference is that Data also has 3 pips on his collar. Granted, one's black, but there's still 3!
Maybe it would be referred to as 2 1/2 by Starfleet.

 

[nx1701g]

^ I think that they do call them a half pip. I remember an episode where a character mentions a half pip.

 

[Gertch]

Three makes more sense, IMHO, since it's purely a visual cue (i.e. rank pips on Riker's uniform) and more likely to be noticed first.

Or, more likely for Data to notice at the proper time. As the ship was coming at them, Data would have to have reasoned THIS was the moment the message would have to make sense. And as he had to look up at Riker he would see the pips plainly.

I've always loved this episode. My Trek loving coworkers and I would refer to any reoccuring problem as we must be caught in a [Picard]"temporal causality loop."[/Picard]

 

[Vanyel]

Three makes more sense, IMHO, since it's purely a visual cue (i.e. rank pips on Riker's uniform) and more likely to be noticed first.

Or, more likely for Data to notice at the proper time. As the ship was coming at them, Data would have to have reasoned THIS was the moment the message would have to make sense. And as he had to look up at Riker he would see the pips plainly.

I always took it to be a visual clue also, one that would make sense at the right time.

 

[cultcross]

Or, more likely for Data to notice at the proper time. As the ship was coming at them, Data would have to have reasoned THIS was the moment the message would have to make sense. And as he had to look up at Riker he would see the pips plainly.

Surprised he didn't transmit "Stinknuts"

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Here's my question about this episode:

Was the Bozeman trapped in the area for 90 years? (The Captain thinks it is 2278, where it is actually 2368 at that time)

I find it hard to believe that it was, because I always assumed that the only reason either ship was trapped there is because they kept colliding. Up until the Enterprise entered that area of space, there'd be nothing for the Bozeman to hit, and thus no reason to trap it there.

So what was the Bozeman experiencing in between 2278 and 2368...probably nothing at all. I think it entered the Typhon Expanse and then got shot forward 90 years.

 

[WillsBabe]

I love this episode. I'm sorry, I don't have anything constructive to add to the debate, I just wanted to say that!

 

[Timo]

So what was the Bozeman experiencing in between 2278 and 2368...probably nothing at all. I think it entered the Typhon Expanse and then got shot forward 90 years.

That does appear to be the likeliest answer. The Bozeman never experienced a loop: she only experienced a hop forward in time.

Of course, the multiple iterations of how the E-D heroes responded to the crisis would create multiple timelines. Even though only a single Bozeman was propelled to the future, the end result would be something like a dozen Bozemen in the dozen different 2360s. Granted, most of them would be mere debris clouds, but it's possible a few of them survived the collision while the E-D did not.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Mallory]

I've always loved this episode. My Trek loving coworkers and I would refer to any reoccuring problem as we must be caught in a [Picard]"temporal causality loop."[/Picard]

I've always loved this episode as well. It was especially awesome when it aired for the first time.

 

[BrotherBenny]

Here's my question about this episode:

Was the Bozeman trapped in the area for 90 years? (The Captain thinks it is 2278, where it is actually 2368 at that time)

I find it hard to believe that it was, because I always assumed that the only reason either ship was trapped there is because they kept colliding. Up until the Enterprise entered that area of space, there'd be nothing for the Bozeman to hit, and thus no reason to trap it there.

So what was the Bozeman experiencing in between 2278 and 2368...probably nothing at all. I think it entered the Typhon Expanse and then got shot forward 90 years.

The temporal causality loop existed in both 2278 and 2368 and one can presume that both the Bozeman and the Enterprise entered at the same point 90 years apart, therefore were in the loop for exactly the same amount of time. But because the loop had pulled in the Big E, the Bozeman couldn't be returned to its own time.

YMMV

 

[Timo]

I don't see any evidence of a "loop" as regards the Bozeman. All I see is that the Typhon Expanse has the ability to move objects either forward or backward in time. Since the Bozeman was moved forward, there was no relooping there for her - but since the Enterprise was moved backward, a loop automatically emerged for her.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Brian]

I've always loved this episode. My Trek loving coworkers and I would refer to any reoccuring problem as we must be caught in a [Picard]"temporal causality loop."[/Picard]

I've always loved this episode as well. It was especially awesome when it aired for the first time.

That had to be one of the best teasers ever. The Enterprise blew up at the end of it. I mean, who's not going to sit through the titles and commercials to see what that's all about?

 

[DeeEss57]

I've always loved this episode as well. It was especially awesome when it aired for the first time.

Yep. You don't expect the Big E to explode in the first minute of an episode!



DES
From many... One.

 

[Vanyel]

That had to be one of the best teasers ever. The Enterprise blew up at the end of it. I mean, who's not going to sit through the titles and commercials to see what that's all about?

Yep. You don't expect the Big E to explode in the first minute of an episode!

I remember sitting there just dumbfounded, not knowing what to think. It IS THE BEST teaser in all of Trek.

 

[LeadHead]

I think the Bozeman both did loop and did not. Once it came forward to the Enterprise's time, it was within the loop with them. Granted they would only be in the loop a short while, since it would restart. They were in 2278 once, and in the 24th Century however many times it took to break the loop.