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Catastrophic TV cast departures

Malcolm Janus should never have been created. The central arc of The Dead Zone is Johnny Smith trying to keep Greg Stillson from causing Armageddon.

Oh, I know, and I agree, and so do Stephen King, David Cronenberg, and the Pillars. But it was irresponsible of the new writers to just dump the characters like that. Denny O'Neil is known for saying "never just 'visit' your characters". I'm assuming this applies doubly to deaths, and Janus' death was just that: a visitation of the character.

True, it was awkward, but the Janus crap was just so bad that I was happy to see it disposed of so swiftly. I mean, Janus never materialized as a valid character at all; he was just a plot device whose purpose still eludes me, and at best he was a caricature of evil. There wasn't really anything they could do with such a lame excuse for a character other than just sweep him under the rug as quickly as possible.

That was actually a network mandate. Season 4's "premiere" is actually a restructuring of the season 3 finale, which differed vastly from what aired at the start of S4 and was held off by USA because they didn't like it. The original script can be floating around the Internet somewhere.

I know, and I've read it. But I still don't understand why the network would've wanted Stillson turned into a not-so-bad dupe of some vaguely satanic Illuminatus guy.
 
While not exactly CATASTROPHIC ...

All in the Family after Gloria and Michael left.

Bewitched after Dick York left ... but the show also went more Women's Lib-crazy at the time Dick Sargent took over the role of Darren.

The Streets of San Francisco after Michael Douglas left.

--Ted
 
Chris Barrie leaving Red Dwarf was quite a blow, but then again Series VII was pretty dire regardless of whether Rimmer was still in it. It was just added salt in the wound with him gone..
I think that was more to do with the dearture of Rob Grant than just Chris Barrie leaving.
 
The departure of David James Elliot was the deathnell for JAG.

Lt Vucovich who was intended as a replacement for Rabb didn't fly (no pun intended) with the audience. The replacment didn't work so the show was canceled (was heading that way but they looking to season 11).

Oh and that might explain why the network dumped Bellisario as EP on NCIS when Mark Harmon threatened to walk.
 
Hex, a little known British series about teenage witches fighting fallen angels, suffered a huge blow when its original lead, Cassie, was killed off in Season 2. It's hard to imagine a series so thoroughly focusing on one lead in Season 1 only to brazenly kill her off 2 episodes into Season 2. (From what I've heard, it wasn't the writers' fault. The actress quit the show when she discovered that her nude scenes hadn't been edited out of a Season 1 episode.) Further damaging things was that, without Cassie, there really wasn't a convincing reason why the ghost of her dead lesbian roommate, Thelma, kept hanging around.
you kidding me right, Cassie was one of the worst characters on Hex, the girl who took over in S2 was much better.

I find myself wondering how CSI is going to do without Peterson. The character of Grissom (IMHO) is what seperates that show from the other CSI's.
I dont know about that, its not like hes been a big part of every episode for a couple of years now, and he has taken time off before, I think the show will survive without him.

Of course anytime he wants to guest star he is more than welcome

The bbc had this really weird show where the lead just 'regenerated' every time they changed actors. It was called Doctor Something... wonder whatever happened to that?
:guffaw:no other show could pull that off.
 
I find myself wondering how CSI is going to do without Peterson. The character of Grissom (IMHO) is what seperates that show from the other CSI's.
I dont know about that, its not like hes been a big part of every episode for a couple of years now, and he has taken time off before, I think the show will survive without him.

Of course anytime he wants to guest star he is more than welcome
I kind of feel like if Laurence Fishburne is successful as Grissom's replacement, they should just end CSI and move Fishburne to a spinoff. CSI: Los Angeles, anyone? :lol:
 
Boston Legal...the various change overs I think hurt the show dynamic and allowed Kelly and his writers to focus more on Shore and Crane which isn't neccessarily a good thing since I think their relationship was handled great in the first two seasons with the large ensemble.

Spin City...I agree, Charlie was an adequte successor to Mike but it wasn't really the same show. Sheen kept it afloat longer than I think people expected.

Micheal Rossenbaum leaving Smallville...Kirsten Kruek becoming a guest star. These two changes have had a profound impact on the stories that have been told this season I think. The new characters have played a big part on the show and changed the dynamic in a postive way.
 
Micheal Rossenbaum leaving Smallville...Kirsten Kruek becoming a guest star. These two changes have had a profound impact on the stories that have been told this season I think. The new characters have played a big part on the show and changed the dynamic in a postive way.

maybe she's improved but a lot of views think that Kruek/Lana would be not great loss to the show.

Never worked out why Clarke would go for a whiny Lana when he's got a feisty Chloe.
 
I find myself wondering how CSI is going to do without Peterson. The character of Grissom (IMHO) is what seperates that show from the other CSI's.
I dont know about that, its not like hes been a big part of every episode for a couple of years now, and he has taken time off before, I think the show will survive without him.

Of course anytime he wants to guest star he is more than welcome
I kind of feel like if Laurence Fishburne is successful as Grissom's replacement, they should just end CSI and move Fishburne to a spinoff. CSI: Los Angeles, anyone? :lol:
that or CSI will go onto season 15 with him as lead, and the rest of the cast changing over the next 3 years. I see no reason to leave the Vegas location, im not sure what you would get from LA.
 
I know it didn't kill the show, but I'm surprised no one has mentioned Shelly Long leaving Cheers.

With Diane on the show, there was a tension between this boy's club being childish, and being their better selves. Without her, there just seemed to be a lot of meanness on the show. Rebecca always felt like a replacement, instead of her own character.
 
Chris Barrie leaving Red Dwarf was quite a blow, but then again Series VII was pretty dire regardless of whether Rimmer was still in it. It was just added salt in the wound with him gone..
I think that was more to do with the dearture of Rob Grant than just Chris Barrie leaving.

Absolutely. The show was nowhere near as good once Grant left.

I think it's a mistake to focus on cast changes as the grounds for catastrophe. Changes behind the scenes, in the writing staff, are usually far more catastrophic. Fred Freiberger replacing Gene Roddenberry on Star Trek. Bob Engels replacing Robert Hewitt Wolfe on Andromeda. Brannon Braga replacing Jeri Taylor on Voyager. Tracy Torme leaving Sliders. Aaron Sorkin leaving The West Wing. Michael Piller's waning involvement in The Dead Zone. All these led to fundamental downgrades in the quality of the shows, sometimes even their transformation into virtually an entirely different and vastly inferior show.

Losing cast members while the staff remains is survivable. As long as it's the same staff, they can come up with new characters who are worthwhile and fit smoothly into the ensemble and the world that the staff has developed. But losing core staffers while keeping the same cast can be disastrous, because the characters or the whole world may end up being changed into something they were never supposed to be. For instance, changing from Dick York to Dick Sargent had little impact on the world of Bewitched; it was still the same old goofy, formulaic, gimmick-of-the-week show. But when series developer Danny Arnold left Bewitched after its first season, it led to a monumental change, as what had originally been a smart, sophisticated comedy using Sam's witchcraft judiciously as an allegory for exploring gender, class, and race issues was reduced to the shallow, gimmicky, "What can Endora turn Derwood into this week?" show it became.
 
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What did Sliders in for me was the departure of John Rhys Davies. His character gave the show some class...

I concur on JRD; it was a tremendous loss to the show. JRD is one of those guys who could just read the phone book into a camera, and it would be entertaining.
 
Weird but I think losing Phil Hartmen in the Simpsons hurt them a bit as well. Troy McClure and Lionel Hutz were absolutely gold.
Oh, definitely. I've thought during many episodes that the show is just missing their involvement, particularly whenever the Simpsons run afoul of the law, which happens frequently.

Someone mentioned David James Elliot's decision to leave JAG as precipitating the end; personally, I though the show went downhill in terms of quality when John M. Jackson left (and his departure was rather unsatisfactory); that time also coincided with several recurring castmembers dropping out of the picture for the most part (Karri Turner, Steven Culp).
 
I'm tempted to cite The Ropers and Suzanne Somers leaving Three's Company, but that show was crap to begin with (apart from the great John Ritter).

I may be in the minority on this, but I thought the show got way better towards its later years. Don Knotts was a lot funnier than the Ropers, and with Priscilla Barnes they actually had a smart character in the blonde girl role, completely eliminating all the painful "she so stupid" jokes they had with Chrissy/Cindy.

You're not in the minority. Once that damned Chrissy and those annoying Ropers left, Three's Company became watchable. Personally, I liked Cindy. Terri was uneccessary, but I liked her too.
 
I kind of feel like if Laurence Fishburne is successful as Grissom's replacement, they should just end CSI and move Fishburne to a spinoff. CSI: Los Angeles, anyone? :lol:

Aren't all three CSIs filmed in Los Angeles anyway?

How about CSI: Boise or CSI: Anchorage? :)
 
I think it's a mistake to focus on cast changes as the grounds for catastrophe. Changes behind the scenes, in the writing staff, are usually far more catastrophic.
You're right, I can't think of many catastrophes caused by actors leaving - Duchovney and Anderson are the big ones for me - but writers leaving or being hired can make massive impacts on the quality of shows.

Something definitely happened to Stargate SG-1 around S4 or 5. I don't know much about the behind the scenes details but that's when the quality really started to decline...or maybe it was the opposite phenomenon, creative burn-out, when writers stay on a show long past the point where it desperately needed new ideas and new blood.

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in the VOY and ENT years are of course the big examples that everyone knows. Manny Coto taking over in S4 resulted in an amazing increase in quality for ENT, just because he was willing to do something new.

I also wonder what the hell happened to Heroes. S1 was great, and it's gone increasingly off the rails in S2-3. Was it just that Tim Kring was fascinated by the characters when they were first getting their powers and lost interest after that? Did Bryan Fuller have more uncredited impact on the writing than we realized? Howcome his depature coincided with such a dramatic loss of focus, and even the most elementary ability of the writers to pay attention to consistency in storyline and characterization? I get the strong sense of a pack of writers who just are doing their own things, with little oversight to force the episodes into coherence. Do they not realize they are writing a highly serialized show?

I can't wait to see Fuller's episodes at the end of this season. I am really curious to learn what the frak the problem has been (and still hopeful of a turnaround).
 
I also wonder what the hell happened to Heroes. S1 was great, and it's gone increasingly off the rails in S2-3. Was it just that Tim Kring was fascinated by the characters when they were first getting their powers and lost interest after that? Did Bryan Fuller have more uncredited impact on the writing than we realized? Howcome his depature coincided with such a dramatic loss of focus, and even the most elementary ability of the writers to pay attention to consistency in storyline and characterization? I get the strong sense of a pack of writers who just are doing their own things, with little oversight to force the episodes into coherence. Do they not realize they are writing a highly serialized show?

From what I've heard, Fuller's departure did indeed have a great deal to do with it. He was focused more on the character stuff that made the first season so good, while Jesse Alexander and Jeph Loeb, who've been mainly responsible for the direction of the show since then, are more interested in the big gimmicky story arcs and plot twists. Apparently they were let go because of that. I'm not sure why they were more in control these past two seasons than Kring was.
 
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