Case dismissed! Discovery and Tardigrade game "not similar"

[Campe]

I don't care if people like, love, hate or despise any form of entertainment. Why? Because its just entertainment.

What starts to get me is when people start attacking fans of or the people behind the entertainment. For example, Star Wars fans behavior towards Kellie Marie Tran, Daisy Ridley, Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best comes to mind. Hate TLJ or TPM all you want. But these people are just doing a job. And the people who love the works? So what? That's their prerogative. Its why I stopped participating in the CBS v Axanar Facebook groups. I realized while some of the people in those groups were actually interested in the case, others, even some of those in charge, were just wanting to sling mud. I don't like Alec Peters. I don't want him ripping off more fans. But there comes a point in time where you have to wonder if its worth the energy or not. For me, not so much. I didn't feel it looked well on many of them or on me. So I left.

Gatekeeping fans. The struggle is real.

 

[Tuskin38]

He not only developed the imagery of the tardigrade Discovery's Ripper mimicked

How can they mimick something they would have never seen before?

 

[DaveyNY]

How can they mimick something they’ve never seen before?

You can't.
And even if by some wild fluke his lawyer can show that someone in the production company might have seen it...
(which I know this isn't possible per my multiple previously posted reasons)
His use of the tardigrade for the process of space travel is completely different from how it was done in DISCOVERY.

The only thing they have in common is the Tardigrade itself.

Which we have already discussed ad nauseam, is not something that one can copyright... blah...blah..blah...



Just checked the court docket again.
Nothing new posted in the last 12 hours.

 

[fireproof78]

The only thing mimicked seems to be a naturally occurring phenomenon.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Some are, this is true.

I also feel there are some who are siding with Abdin only because he is the little guy in this fight, and not because they think he has proven anything. There seems to be a certain percentage of people who never want the big corporation to win -- even if it ends up that the big corporation legally deserved to win.

There will be some people would have still wished Adbin would have won even if it is shown that CBS stole nothing from him.

But yeah, as @Locutus of Bored said, if Adbin is shown to have had his intellectual property stolen from him by CBS, then I'll be happy if Abdin wins. Conversely if is shown that CBS did not steal those ideas from Abdin, then I'll be happy if CBS wins.

 

[seigezunt]

We usually want to root for the little guy. Especially if we are coming into it believing the Big Bad has already hurt something we love, in this case Star Trek.

 

[fireproof78]

But yeah, as @Locutus of Bored said, if Adbin is shown to have had his intellectual property stolen from him by CBS, then I'll be happy if Abdin wins. Conversely if is shown that CBS did not steal those ideas from Abdin, then I'll be happy if CBS wins.

Exactly. Big or small I want the truth to come out in court. That's the win I want.

 

[serabine]

I swear I need to start laminating Old Fan Cred cards for when people start invoking years of watching a TV show as proof of anything.

*whips it out*

I've been a fan since 1973 and have been enjoying DSC more than the first two seasons of any Trek that's been made since TAS.

And that has little to do with my estimation of this case. Indeed, I think you will find people in this forum who are definitely not DSC fans who agree that Abdin's case is shaky at best.

So, I hadn't been born yet in the 70s, but I've watched Star Trek since I was ten. Am I old enough a fan to apply for a card? Are there discounts associated with it?

 

[serabine]

How can they mimick something they would have never seen before?

Also, Abdin's tardigrade is literally just that, a scaled up tardigrade colored blue. Design-wise, it's pretty low effort, so I would be loath to call this "developing" the design. At least with Ripper, there was some thought put into creature design to show that it's related/reminiscent of a tardigrade, but still it's own animal.

 

[Refuge]

I also feel there are some who are siding with Abdin only because he is the little guy in this fight, and not because they think he has proven anything. There seems to be a certain percentage of people who never want the big corporation to win -- even if it ends up that the big corporation legally deserved to win.

There will be some people would have still wished Adbin would have won even if it is shown that CBS stole nothing from him.

I agree and admit there is a little bit of that in how I feel. Not entirely though as I see those side by sides and they resonate.

 

[Tuskin38]

Star Trek also had blue uniforms before Discovery. Look at Enterprise. They're not exactly unique to the franchise, or real life.

 

[ozzfloyd]

It really seems like most who believe CBS is guilty of ripping off Abdin are doing so almost entirely out of emotion, feeling, etc. People become sooo attached to how they feel it keeps them from being open to changing opinions based on the evidence. The legal systems doesn't operate based upon your feelz.

 

[fireproof78]

It really seems like most who believe CBS is guilty of ripping off Abdin are doing so almost entirely out of emotion, feeling, etc. People become sooo attached to how they feel it keeps them from being open to changing opinions based on the evidence. The legal systems doesn't operate based upon your feelz.

It also gets reinforced time and again, until it becomes a bit of an attachment to the personal theory. A lot of emotion is invested in the process and to challenge ourselves in that way is highly uncomfortable.

 

[Refuge]

It also gets reinforced time and again, until it becomes a bit of an attachment to the personal theory. A lot of emotion is invested in the process and to challenge ourselves in that way is highly uncomfortable.

I suspect emotion is a driving force throughout this entire discussion (all sides) and really the discussion is speculation only. Abdin is a human being and he clearly is creative. His actual case is something we speculate about (and seem to agree on the likely outcome) but the final authority is not ours.

 

[fireproof78]

I suspect emotion is a driving force throughout this entire discussion (all sides) and really the discussion is speculation only. Abdin is a human being and he clearly is creative. His actual case is something we speculate about (and seem to agree on the likely outcome) but the final authority is not ours.

Perhaps, but the emotional investment in Abdin winning and CBS losing seems higher, at least to me.

 

[ShranMan]

Axanar: What was released looked very promising but I understand that they did some crowdfunding? That's a no-no. But if I was at CBS I'd have given them a contract! Proviso: hand over all the crowdfund money. Why not? It has several established Trek stars attached, a good premise, and fans want to see it. If there are design/licencing issues, dump what's been filmed and start over, put it on All Access as a 90 minute special. It can't possibly be worse than Short Treks or STD and done on a fraction of the budget.

Same with the Vader fan film. Lucasfilm should've grabbed it, put it under the umbrella, dump it on Disney Streaming.

These people make junk, complain that no one wants it, and get hostile toward creators making things fans actually want to see! If you want us to like your stuff, make good stuff. These franchises desperately need creatives who respect established canon and lore and know what other fans want to watch. They should be hiring these people, not suing them.

 

[BillJ]

Axanar: What was released looked very promising but I understand that they did some crowdfunding? That's a no-no.

That only became a no-no after Alec Peters bilked fans out of $1.4 million dollars for twenty minutes of film, and sold things like coffee using CBS intellectual property.

Alec Peters should be seen as nothing more than a conman at this point.

 

[Tuskin38]

Axanar: What was released looked very promising but I understand that they did some crowdfunding? That's a no-no. But if I was at CBS I'd have given them a contract! Proviso: hand over all the crowdfund money. Why not? It has several established Trek stars attached, a good premise, and fans want to see it. If there are design/licencing issues, dump what's been filmed and start over, put it on All Access as a 90 minute special. It can't possibly be worse than Short Treks or STD and done on a fraction of the budget.

Same with the Vader fan film. Lucasfilm should've grabbed it, put it under the umbrella, dump it on Disney Streaming.

These people make junk, complain that no one wants it, and get hostile toward creators making things fans actually want to see! If you want us to like your stuff, make good stuff. These franchises desperately need creatives who respect established canon and lore and know what other fans want to watch. They should be hiring these people, not suing them.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

BillJ already covered the Axanar stuff so I won't touch that, But neither Disney or LucasFilm did anything negative against that Vader film. It was a third party and it was resolved with LucasFilm's help.

 

[Campe]

Axanar: What was released looked very promising but I understand that they did some crowdfunding? That's a no-no. But if I was at CBS I'd have given them a contract! Proviso: hand over all the crowdfund money. Why not? It has several established Trek stars attached, a good premise, and fans want to see it. If there are design/licencing issues, dump what's been filmed and start over, put it on All Access as a 90 minute special. It can't possibly be worse than Short Treks or STD and done on a fraction of the budget.

Same with the Vader fan film. Lucasfilm should've grabbed it, put it under the umbrella, dump it on Disney Streaming.

These people make junk, complain that no one wants it, and get hostile toward creators making things fans actually want to see! If you want us to like your stuff, make good stuff. These franchises desperately need creatives who respect established canon and lore and know what other fans want to watch. They should be hiring these people, not suing them.

Well, that’s a set of opinions.

 

[fireproof78]

Axanar: What was released looked very promising but I understand that they did some crowdfunding? That's a no-no. But if I was at CBS I'd have given them a contract! Proviso: hand over all the crowdfund money. Why not? It has several established Trek stars attached, a good premise, and fans want to see it. If there are design/licencing issues, dump what's been filmed and start over, put it on All Access as a 90 minute special. It can't possibly be worse than Short Treks or STD and done on a fraction of the budget.

Same with the Vader fan film. Lucasfilm should've grabbed it, put it under the umbrella, dump it on Disney Streaming.

These people make junk, complain that no one wants it, and get hostile toward creators making things fans actually want to see! If you want us to like your stuff, make good stuff. These franchises desperately need creatives who respect established canon and lore and know what other fans want to watch. They should be hiring these people, not suing them.

No, that sets a very poor precedence and indicates that fans have control over the product, not the copyright holders. That is untenable for legal protection.