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Case dismissed! Discovery and Tardigrade game "not similar"
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'We' do? Honestly just in the last three pages this timeline is unreliable even by your own posts.
Just on your point regards the on set tardigrade. Do you know if that is evidence for CBS because that would be compelling... again in my non-legal opinion. I just wonder if Abdin can also present some sketches he made earlier tucked away in a draw somewhere with a date? Perhaps a forensic writing expert can prove the pencil lines are aged to a time before Discovery's version?
It's not just the idea, though. It's matter of CBS being able to see it and copy it. So, even if he had drawings that were earlier sketches what does that prove regarding infringement and plagiarism?
That's not the way copyright law works.Indeed I have read the legal authorities in this thread determine the law in several posts. However it is still my opinion that he got there first... yes, yes, yes no one will ever be able to prove who sees what on YouTube or the Net so yada yada yada this makes it 'fair' and legal that he is getting the exact (lack) of recognition he deserves. He will lose because how dare he have the nerve to have presented an eclectic group of characters in a trailer for a game he hasn't completed... (long sentence ahead) that just so happened to have been mimicked (co-incidentally) by creative geniuses who would never stoop so low to have been influenced elsewhere. I can hear George Harrison singing "My Sweet Lord" to the strains of "She's so Fine" as I write this
No. It's in the running for my favorite. But "favorite" and "best" are two different things.
Shit. You found me out. I have all three Abrams Films on constant loop every day. Now you know and knowing is half the battle. I have the T-shirts, all the memorabilia, and everything!
That was sarcasm just in case you couldn't tell. The 2009 film and Beyond are okay, but I wouldn't say I love them. I don't like Into Darkness at all.
Let's see what Debbie Gibson has to say about this.
Just trying to get that timeline clear. I suspect CBS would not have access to his sketches (
) if indeed he has them. They were probably too busy watching his trailer instead...The case is about CBS stealing his idea, not that he thought of it first.
There's nothing in the trailers released before Discovery started production that they stole.Just trying to get that timeline clear. I suspect CBS would not have access to his sketches (
Right...Just trying to get that timeline clear. I suspect CBS would not have access to his sketches (
Thus far, no proof of that exists outside of coincidence.
No proof exists or as yet presented? I have to say I am so impressed that we have everything at our fingertips and can be so definitive. Think of all the money and anguish Abdin could have spared himself if he had just run this passed us.Right...
Thus far, no proof of that exists outside of coincidence.
I love the fact that we can assume that CBS is guilty right off the bat. Save the court a lot of time too.
Proof up to a legal standard, which, thus far, has not been proven. So, I'll remain convinced of this until proven otherwise. Much the way CBS is guilty until proven otherwise argument goes.
Just as an aside I still firmly believe we live in this kind of environment. We perpetuate the right to support an accuser and even expect punishment without legal judgement of the one accused. The Internet just increases our armchair stake in an agenda. It has rather become guilty until proven innocent.
That being said Abdin is swimming against the tide, I wouldn't worry about CBS, they'll get by untarnished.
I hope Tardy makes a comeback in season 3, just to spite this guy.
Indeed I have read the legal authorities in this thread determine the law in several posts. However it is still my opinion that he got there first... yes, yes, yes no one will ever be able to prove who sees what on YouTube or the Net so yada yada yada this makes it 'fair' and legal that he is getting the exact (lack) of recognition he deserves. He will lose because how dare he have the nerve to have presented an eclectic group of characters in a trailer for a game he hasn't completed... (long sentence ahead) that just so happened to have been mimicked (co-incidentally) by creative geniuses who would never stoop so low to have been influenced elsewhere. I can hear George Harrison singing "My Sweet Lord" to the strains of "She's so Fine" as I write this
That is a strawman argument. No one is arguing that the creators of Discovery are innocent because they are incredible original, or creative geniuses. I'd say it's quite the opposite, in fact. Absolutely nothing from Abdin' work is even remotely original or out of the left field enough to lead to the conclusion that Discovery must have copied him.
A small animal blown up to human size? Welcome to sci-fi, where critters of unusual size abound. You either shrink down your protagonist (Honey I Shrunk the Kids, Ant-Man, Innerspace), or you scale up the creature (Them!, The Spider, Empire of the Ants, Voyager's Macrocosm). That what sci-fi do.
His tardigrade is basically a living ship? Farscape's done that, and so has Star Trek (Tin Man). Actually, have a list: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/blog/sci-fi-fantasy/6-books-with-living-spaceships/
Please also note that Discovery using the tardigrade as a navigator is not only a different idea, it's also something seen before in other sci-fi, since Farscape did that, too, and not to mention Dune.
And as for the tardigrade itself, that is hardly an original idea from Abdin. He didn't sit down and came up with it from whole cloth. He didn't even sit down with a natural history tome and just picked it at random. I can tell you a hundred percent why he picked the tardigrade: Because it was widely publicized as the only animal we know that can survive in space.
And guess what is very likely the reason the people making Discovery included the tardigrade: Because it was widely publicized as the only animal we know that can survive in space.
It's almost as if they drew from the same popular science sources.
Indeed I have read the legal authorities in this thread determine the law in several posts. However it is still my opinion that he got there first... yes, yes, yes no one will ever be able to prove who sees what on YouTube or the Net so yada yada yada this makes it 'fair' and legal that he is getting the exact (lack) of recognition he deserves. He will lose because how dare he have the nerve to have presented an eclectic group of characters in a trailer for a game he hasn't completed... (long sentence ahead) that just so happened to have been mimicked (co-incidentally) by creative geniuses who would never stoop so low to have been influenced elsewhere. I can hear George Harrison singing "My Sweet Lord" to the strains of "She's so Fine" as I write this
Armageddon vs Deep Impact.
All of those alien invasion shows right after Lost premiered.
Parallel development. Abdin may have “got there first” with the idea. But if he doesn’t publish a thing prior to the point where CBS already had the episodes in question in the can, it’s really a moot point. Remember, Abdin didn’t really play his cards with the Tardigrade hug/FTL travel until season one of Discovery was well into production.
Seriously there is nothing anyone has said here that makes me change my opinion. He not only developed the imagery of the tardigrade Discovery's Ripper mimicked but there were other 'coincidences'. This little package of ideas that Discovery also happened to have exploited. I think it does matter he was first, but that is just my opinion. I'm not pretending to be some kind of legal authority here, I let others do that
Who said I was worried about CBS? I am firmly concerned about the exact environment you are describing of guilty until proven innocent. Undermining that in the United States legal system is something with far-reaching implications that are concerning to me, and the idea of justice.
I don't want that, Internet or otherwise.
What does that matter in terms of legality? Many have stated, in this thread, that they believed he came up with his idea, but so did others in a similar vein. Tardigrades are neither new, nor extremely unique in SF, as illustrated multiple times over.
But, this comes down to legality. Believe he was first matters little in terms of plagiarism or accusing CBS of stealing from him. Because there is no legal proof that indicates CBS saw the idea from Abdin and stole it from it.
But, if you want to believe him, please continue to do so. I am just confused as to what purpose or point it proves...
It proves that we don't all think the same... it happens you know. Legally none of us here has the word on that.
It's highly confusing considering the legal facts as presented.
It feels like insisting upon believing something no matter what.
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