Captain Marvel (2019)

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  1. grendelsbayne

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    How'd that argument work out for X-Men/Spider-Man?
     
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  2. Anwar

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    Yeah, she's an Oscar winner. Which Gal Gadot isn't and RDJ hasn't achieved yet.

    And being "The First" doesn't mean much anymore. Being "first" didn't do jack for Superman and Batman with the DCEU now did it?
     
  3. Guy Gardener

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    Green Lantern was the first movie in an anticipated Justice League production line that was scrapped, that probably would have also been called the DCEU if it hadn't been vehemently stillborn.
     
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  4. Reverend

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    Without actually watching the movie, it's hard to have an intelligent opinion on the kind of business it's likely to do over and above what's considered average for a Solo MCU instalment. 'Wonder Woman' did as well as if did because 1) It appealed to a larger audience than most such films are geared towards and 2) it was really good.
    If 'Captain Marvel' also does those thing and has good word of mouth, i see no reason why it can't do 'Black Panther' money. 'Wonder Woman' wasn't an anomaly, it just proved that women will show up to superhero movies in numbers if they're given positive representation. They showed up once and they probably will again.
     
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  5. JD

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    Superman and Batman weren't first because we'd already gotten a whole bunch of Marvel movies staring white guys that people enjoyed.
    I just can't see Captain Marvel having the same kind of impact as Wonder Woman, since WW already came out. I'm completely confident it will still do the same kind of numbers as all of the other Marvel movies, and be a freakin' awesome movie, it just probably won't have the same cultural impact impact as WW did.
    It's the same for the next superhero movie with a black lead. No matter how good and how popular it is, it still won't have the same kind of cultural impact as Black Panther, because Black Panther got there first. It's also not a Marvel VS. DC thing, I'd be saying the same thing about Wonder Woman if Captain Marvel had come out first.
     
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    The first major female superhero in a movie was Halle Barry's Catwoman. It's certainly remembered nowadays, but not for any positive reasons.
     
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  7. Guy Gardener

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    Supergirl from 1984 is older.
     
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  8. UssGlenn

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    beat me to it
     
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  9. Guy Gardener

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    Catwoman is also a villain or an antihero depending on the situation.
     
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    And it wasn't the Catwoman, just a Catwoman.
     
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    In that movie she was more or less a traditional hero though. Supergirl '84 is the correct answer though. And that one had almost no cultural aspect at all.
     
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    Wonder Woman will always be the first female superhero movie from the current SHM "Golden Age" that we are currently enjoying. Kevin Feige has said that he's glad that CM is coming later than WW because now he doesn't feel the need to justify the choice to make a movie with a female lead or explain that Catwoman, Supergirl and Elektra failed not because they were female led, but because they weren't very good movies.
     
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  13. Guy Gardener

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    The resurrection element in both stories has me thinking that the Egptian death Goddess Baast ( who has a cat face) is playing with the mortal coil.
     
  14. Nerys Myk

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    I don't think Baast was a death goddess.
     
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    Technically speaking, Black Panther wasn't the first African American led superhero movie either. There's the Blade trilogy and Steel before it.
     
  16. Guy Gardener

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    This never happened.

     
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    I said in one of my other posts I was talking specifically about the MCU/Worlds of DC era.
    Oh right, I completely forgot about them.
     
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    And Hancock and Spawn and Meteor Man. Also, obviously, the aforementioned Catwoman. Hancock was actually even a pretty solid movie. (As was Blade, though I personally count it in a different genre - but there's no need to resurrect that argument here).

    I think Black Panther's cultural impact came in part from a higher level of perceived 'legitimacy' (probably not the best word to use, but It's what I've got for now). Meteor Man, Steel, Spawn and Catwoman were all infamously trash and while Blade and Hancock actually seemed to succeed, they did so at least in part by largely divorcing themselves from the classic superhero paradigm. No general audience member would ever really compare those movies to something like Superman or Captain America. Black Panther, on the other hand, could very easily be seen as the African answer to Captain America or Iron Man or any of those characters.

    Possibly even more than that, though, I don't think Black Panther's cultural impact was even entirely about T'Challa himself. I think it was Wakanda that truly captured people's imaginations. A truly African fantasy world had never really even been attempted on screen before that I know of - and this one was *beautifully* realized, too. In a way, the movie gave audiences both the African American answer to Captain America *and* the African American answer to the Lord of the Rings.
     
  19. Anwar

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    Like Guy said, Supergirl in 1984 was the first.

    WW made history for being the first GOOD Female Superhero movie after numerous failures (Supergirl, Barb Wire, Tank Girl, Catwoman, Elektra).
     
  20. Guy Gardener

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    You'd think that there was a DC serial from the 1940s about a superheroine?

    "Sigh"