Nope, nothing like that. More similar to making Joker the killer of Batman's parents, or making Superman best friends with Luthor in childhood. Despite different origins, they still become the characters we love.
Captain Marvel (2019)
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Nope, nothing like that. More similar to making Joker the killer of Batman's parents, or making Superman best friends with Luthor in childhood. Despite different origins, they still become the characters we love.
Or turning Bucky into Steve's childhood friend instead of a 12 year old "mascot" Soldier.
You're gonna have to elaborate on this. Quite a bit.
Um, yes. You have to watch the whole thing before you can make a proper analysis. That's how it works.
I doubt that.
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This movie looks amazing, I can’t wait to see it and see Carol take on Thanos. I need that after what he did to Spidey.
Funny how he compares it to Batman becoming a killer to minor changes in the origin to fit the MCU, which is a separate universe from the comics universe and not forced to follow it exactly, yet likes the DCEU which actually made Batman a killer. It’s almost like this is all an act to cause a shitstorm.
I think the whole thing with Shazam being made to act less like a perfect boy who can do no wrong left him permanently unhinged when it comes to CBMs.
It really is a shame that comic book movies are made for general audiences and not the 5 people who think the original origin of a character should be shown, despite not even being canon in the comics any more.
One thing I'm wondering is if the modern cinema take on superheroes is uncomfortable largely because it portrays them in a more realistic light? It has now become less escapist fantasy and idealization of these comic heroes and putting flesh and bones on them, making them people and dealing with the psychology that these characters would actually face.
It depends on how they go about making them realistic. The MCU has kept them fairly close to their comic personalities but deals a lot with how being a hero has affected them as people. Tony Stark more than others has become obsessed with keeping the world safe to the point where it has backfired on him. I’ve also gotten the impression that Peter Parker hasn’t brought up Uncle Ben because it bothers him to directly refer to him, he’s actually dealing with the grief and guilt of what happened. Just watch that scene in Civil War.
He just starts fidgeting and he’s visibly upset, but it gets across that he has lost somebody. Then in Homecoming he mentions that he hasn’t told Aunt May because she’s concerned about his safety even more now, which would make sense after losing her husband in such a tragic way. She probably hasn’t mentioned him either because they’re trying to have some normalcy in their lives and she’s avoiding it too.
Meanwhile the DCEU just has them being angry assholes who don’t care about who gets killed because Snyder has a weird obsession with Ayn Rand and crammed it into his movies. Except for Wonder Woman who acts like an actual superhero.
True, but I think its just putting them in to a real world environment sheds some of the fantastical and makes them more human, which can be extremely uncomfortable.
I’ve really enjoyed the MCU version. I feel it gives me a closer emotional connection to them. Seeing Spidey turn to dust broke my heart, not because I like Spider-Man but because he seemed like an actual kid who was scared. Seeing all the characters reacting like real people has made them all more affective as characters. I really love how they’ve just turned Thor and Loki into actual brothers who grew up terrorizing each other like real siblings do. Mostly in the third film. I love the scene where Thor is describing the time Loki turned into a snake to trick him, making Loki smile. Anyone who has a younger brother knows that exact smile.
The Christopher Reeve Superman did similar things with him. Superman was a larger than life hero, but all the same things that break our hearts break his. He had the body of a god, but the heart and soul of a man. It’s why the scene of him turning back time works, he’s in deep pain and Reeve pulls it off perfectly. He does what any of us would do if we could when someone close to us dies.
I absolutely agree. Seeing the characters up on the screen has humanized them and made me engaged with them to a greater degree than I ever thought possible. It's why I have enjoyed Daredevil so much as well. It feels very real, very visceral and human.
My speculation comes more from the struggle of seeing these god like figures become more human, because in a comic they are far more fantastical. So, seeing the humanization might be disconcerting because it removes part of the fantasy.
At least, that is my idle speculation.
Maybe it works better with Marvel because they were created that way in the first place. They’re all humans with human struggles, the movies just pushed it farther. Although the DC films where they seem more human tend to work better. The Dark Knight films focus a lot on him no longer wanting to be Batman, but wanting to save Gotham more.
Hopefully movie studios will learn that gritty doesn’t mean realistic because humans tend to be rather hopeful, no matter how bad things get.
I'm not holding my breath. Regardless, I think the films are exposing facets of the characters that can be quite disconcerting to personal perception of these characters.
They toned down Stark’s alcoholism a good bit, it seems to be gone after Iron Man 3. It’s sort of a plot point in the second film, but it’s shown to be his low point that he has to recover from. Most of it seemed to be stem with issues with his father and the arc reactor killing him, both of which he deals with in that movie.
True. I thought that plot was well done also.
Yeah, and I guess I made up Mar-Vell not being in the movie, and her getting brainwashed at of my rear. I also must have been really creative to invent her getting powers through weird blood bullshit. Oh wait, thats all stuff we know happened through trailers, and all stuff that is a giant fuck you to the actual character and source material.
You see, only people who don't know shit about the original Captain Marvel think that there are no comics where Billy wasn't a perfect goodie two shoes pre-New 52.
Read Jerry Ordway's The Power of Shazam. It is THE definitive version of the character, where Billy is a naturally good person, not an angsty shithead, but definitely has flaws and problems and screws up sometimes. A character can have problems and be flawed without the flaws being that they're a shithead while still being heroic. It just takes a good writer. Actually, Grant Morrison did it decently once, so it actually only needs a mediocre or better writer.
Making Carol Danvers an amnesiac tool of the Kree is the polar opposite of what the character actually is. So, in that way its just as wrong as the examples I used.
We know what happens to Fake carol, and it doesn't match what happened in the source material, and changes the context so much that it ruins everything (it also takes away all of her own stuff, but I guess we can't let the female hero be the driving force of her story, or let her do things like create her costume, at least with Wonder Woman her armor is an Amazon thing).
I'd put any DCEU movie over Captain Marvel when it comes to looks and CG, and even the one good DCEU film (Wonder Woman) was weak in the CG department, much less the awful snyder films and mediocre Suicide Squad.
You are completely wrong. I HATE all of the Snyder DCEU movies, and the only DCEU movie I think is outright great is Wonder Woman. Suicide Squad is a tolerable mindless action movie if you pretend it isn't a comic adaptation (otherwise its godawful), and Justice League was a meh film kind of saved by Whedon making Superman actually feel like Superman and overall toning down the Snyder bullshit. Aquaman looks good, but its not out yet.
But Man of steel and Batman v Superman? Those movies are offensively awful, for many reasons including turning Batman into The Punisher with a cape. In comparison, I'm a huge MCU fan who didn't believe they had a single bad film until Spider-Man Homecoming came out, and even after Homecoming and Ant-Man & The Wasp I still think they're mostly a hit maker, having 2 (and soon to be 3) bad movies isn't a bad percentage at this point.
Yeah, god forbid an adaptation actually adapt something. That would be silly.
Adapt means change, you’ll learn that when you grow up.
