In their present state the Vissian would never be admitted in the federation at any rate. Last time I heard the federation didn't condone slavery.
Spoilers Captain Archer's Response in Cogenitor
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Maybe the discussion led to talk like the Prime directive in other episodes, setting up some general rules if you want to join the federation, some type of united government, Everybody must have equal standing and be treated fairly. Etc.
Exactly.
But don't have us be the moral police/high ground all the time, show Earth to be wrong ocasionally.
Exactly.
But don't have us be the moral police/high ground all the time, show Earth to be wrong ocasionally.
We're making the same point. The Vissians are a peaceful, friendly race. They would undoubtedly appreciate the perks of Federation membership, and the Federation would be glad to have them. But, if the Federation charter prohibits certain things for member worlds (slavery, oppression, other human rights violations), the council could tell them to "do something about your cogenitor problem". A little like Picard turning down Angosia's application because they hadn't resolved certain issues with how they treated their veterans.
Have you seen Gay N###ers from outer Space?
Short film, the title is supposed to be ironic, but male gay aliens show up on earth and decide to free all the men from female oppression.
Very bad b movie.
There's more wrong with the Vissian society than meet the eye. Why would one of them automatically assume that the people serving in the mess hall are forced to do so? Plus the completely inhumane way with which he talks about the cogenitor is just sick. I mean you'd think he was talking about an inanimate object. Why would the federation want anything to do with people like that?
Yeah, that one was really played for laughs, since apparently, the Q can reverse anything unless they don't give a crap like when the Borg killed a few people on the Enterprise and Q just shrugged it off...
Isn't that the point I'm making?
If the Federation excluded every race that had ONCE discriminated by color or gender, they'd have to exclude humans. If we can learn to treat all our people fairly, so can the Vissians.
Q leaving those people dead (I assume you are referring to Q-Who) was all part of the “lesson” he was teaching Picard.
harsh for sure but it teaches them nothing if Q just reverses it.
Klingons take slaves.
The Federation is fast friends with the Klingons.
The Ferengi have endentured servants.
Males have to rent wombs.
Ferengi can't breed without exchanging cash.
The Federation would stop the hell out of that before they let them sign up.
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Well, from the sound of things, the Ferengi Alliance was practically Federation Lite by the end of DS9.
Or Bajors application almost falling through when they briefly adopted an old caste system.
Yeah, that was funny...
AKOREM: "So, you want us to back to the D'jarras, right?"
PROPHETS: "Nope."
AKOREM: "But I'm your emissary, right?"
PROPHETS: "Nope. He is."
AKOREM: "But... why bring me here if I'm not your emissary."
PROPHETS: "Before you showed up, the Sisko was looking for an excuse to get rid of the job. Now, he wants it back. Any more questions, or can we send you home now?"
AKOREM: "I'm good, thanks."
AKOREM: So you mean that when Vedek asshole pushed that guy he was wrong!!
PROPHETS: Of course he was wrong, imbecile, couldn't you figure that out for yourself!!
AKOREM: Sorry I asked.
Fascinating discussion. I see we haven't really changed in 20 years.
I can assure you that we have changed a great deal, but we're still fundamentally human.
Archer had a knack to give the wrong answers at the wrong time to ethical questions...
Of course, in this matter there really wasn't a right answer.
How about: "Slavery is wrong!!!"
Yes, but don't you know-being human is bad
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