Captain America: The Winter Soldier Discussion Thread - SPOILERS

Saw it a couple of hours ago. It was pretty good, storywise and actionwise, and it did feel like an Avengers 2. I'm assuming we can spoil away, being that this is a discussion thread with the word Spoil in the title. I hoped to see Bart/Hawkeye but I guess he's taking a vacation after a god took over his brain.

For some reason when Natasha and Steve are caught in that explosion, I thought it would end in Cap giving her a blood transplant (tying in her Super-soldier comic ability).

Agent Sitwell is an asset to Coulson and the crew knows him well (Simmons shot him with Skye). I'm sure his reveal will hit the group hard.

I'm sure Fury has all sorts of favors he could call in.

 

Probably one of the best Marvel movies sofar. How do you make an superhero movie without resorting to over the top villians and make it relevant to the modern day society?
Well, appereantly like this.

Little question/spoiler:

Spoiler: Regarding end credit scene.....

Appereantly, one of the two men talking during the first endcredit scene is Baron Von Strucker. Who was the other? He looked familiar, did we see him earlier in the movie or a different MCU movie?

 

Could the Winter Soldier be an Avenger in Avengers 3?

 

One point though, quite a few spoilers:

Spoiler: 64

The original Helicarrier, was it scrapped after the New York incident, or did Fury's line about Stark 'getting a good look at the turbines' have to do with the sucked in thing, or did they literally give 64 to Stark Industries in exchange for Tony essentially helping them build the 3 IN series?

 

I've got a question. If in the mid-credits scene

Spoiler: Captain America: The Winter Soldier ending

Baron von Strucker has Loki's scepter and the whole movie is about HYDRA's infiltration of S.H.I.E.L.D., then why didn't HYDRA try to seize the Tesseract before Loki did in The Avengers?

 

Phase 2 could well have been their idea...

 

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Actually there was heaps of idle time. After the hijacked cargo ship nothing really happened until Fury's attack by the we're-not-cops.

It was good but I wouldn't call it amazing. I really liked the first one but I felt this one was off the mark slightly. I guessed all the plot twists pretty early on.

 

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I graded it "Good". These superhero movies kind of blend together but this one was enjoyable none the less and they upped their game by giving us some of the best choreographed fight sequences I've ever seen. The story was decent too.

What else...

- Evans really owns the role.

- Johansson is always a pleasure.

- This movie does feel like part of a series rather than a movie in its own right. That's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just an observation. As such though, they've had to skip over Rogers getting used to life in the 21st century which feels like a missed opportunity.

- I could have sworn I saw a set photo a while back with Emily VanCamp in a Captain America-like outfit. Weird.

- Didn't catch the Ezekiel 25:17 reference. You people are good at this.

- Didn't catch the Doctor Strange reference either. And funnily enough, I was looking for one thinking they might name drop.

- I don't recognize anything from some of the post-credits scenes these days so thanks for that too.

- So I guess Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is only one season then?

- Guardians of the Galaxy actually looks good.

 

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Have you seen the latest episode?

Things are starting to go down the drain there, too, now.

The next couple of episodes will find the team in a completely new world and I don't expect all of them to survive.

 

Marvel's Agents of H.A.M.M.E.R.

**Fingers Crossed**

 

I gave it an excellent. Great expansion of the MCU and a genuine game-changer.

There was one sequence lifted straight out of the comics and it was perfect...

 

Bucky got his brains back from Cap making a wish with a Cosmic Cube.

Rule of Thumb is that the cube in the Movies is the Tesseract, which is also an Infinity "Stone" but lets not confuse things.

 

Maybe.

I think that TWS should, and hopefully will have, as much impact on AoS as Avengers-movie had.

Even if new SHIELD is established to keep name alive in the franchise it should still broaden storylines for AoS. Instead of just examining alien artifacts they can also hunt down HYDRA agents and other corrupted SHIELD agents. And maybe they need to survive with lesser resources and backup.

 

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It's possible AoS was always a fakeout and Marvel and ABC weren't planning to continue after one season. With the ratings as they are, maybe that's not a bad thing.

 

Saw it last night (Scotiabank Theater, Toronto, 11:00 PM) and though that it was amazing. I especially liked the epilogue that introduced

Spoiler

Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch!

How will mankind deal with Ultron now that

Spoiler

SHIELD's gone?

And how does this affect other things in the Marvel Cinematic Universe?

 

Well:

Spoiler: Rolecall

Iron Man
Vision (Jarvis in a suit, confirmed lately)
Hulk
Captain America
Fury (Non SHIELD, can call in favours as he sees fit
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Scarlet Wicth
Quick Silver
Thor
Helicarrier 64, if Stark really does own it/has it somewhere
Pepper's Rescue suit if they really, really want to go down that road
And any Iron Legion Tony can get running in time

Believe me, that's going to make a fucking dent.

 

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What is helicarrier 64?

 

^That didn't quite work

Anyway:

Spoiler: 64

The original Helicarrier from the Avengers. It's nowhere to be seen in the new movie, SHIELD has fallen and yet it's still out there. A line or two from Fury implies Stark Industries might currently be working on it and helping modify it. Which means now SHIELD is gone, Tony kind of...owns it...maybe.

 

I know, sorry peeps. I just saw the movie and I don't recall any lines mentioning that. Just the new propulsion.

 

Yup, and that's the iffy bit. He mentions that Tony has been having a good look at their own turbines. I don't know if that's a rather cruel joke at Tony nearly dying in them or that he's been contracted to actually work on them properly since he has literally all their secrets on them.