Captain America: Civil War - pre-release discussion, news, rumors, etc

[Set Harth]

No one is saying they didn't save a lot of people, only that some people were killed or injured.

Killed or injured by who?

The whole argument of whether they should be kept in check or not is kinda the point of the film.

You don't say.

But how does a bunch of people getting shot at by Chitauri constitute an argument that superheroes must be kept in check? Wasn't the whole point of that film that superheroes were needed, because they stopped an alien attack?

How was taking down Project Insight in any way a bad thing? Someone got crushed by a helicarrier on its way down, or something? Is this a "will no one think of the low-level Triskelion employees" kind of deal? What was the alternative? What should Steve & friends have done differently?

About the only one you could make a case for is Ultron, because of Ultron having been created by Stark/Banner in the first place. But why bring "New York" and "DC" into it as if they help prove the point?

Having the good guys all fighting amongst themselves was a bit easier to buy into when Loki's scepter was behind it.

 

[Christopher]

Spidey's eye's don't change.

Yes, they do. Decades' worth of comic-book artists and animators have taken advantage of the poetic license of the cartooning medium to distort the outlines of Spidey's eye holes to convey expression. It's a common trope for mask-wearing characters in cartoons. This is just the first time someone's figured out a physically credible way to do it in live action.

So the best thing about this trailer is that Marvel Studios is finally giving us a film with the tone of a DC film.

This is good? It's been a while since a DC film has really been impressive, other than The Dark Knight.

And there's still a significant tonal difference. I saw an article yesterday pointing out that, while Batman v Superman and Civil War both have very similar premises about superheroes fighting each other over the destructive consequences of their actions, the former's trailers consist almost exclusively of night scenes while the latter seems to be entirely in daylight and brightly lit rooms.

So Mr. Sunday Movies did another 10 Things You Might Have Missed video, and I literally laughed out loud when he pointed out the civilian casualties from all of the Avengers battles in recent movies. I know I've made note that the Avengers had it easy compared to Superman in MOS and the X-Men in DOFP, but this is almost laughably too low and only reaffirms had bad these armies of cannon fodder are at their jobs.

I prefer to think it shows how good the Avengers are at their job. Remember, in both films the Avengers focused heavily on evacuating civilians from the danger zone, while Kal-El in MoS (I hesitate to call him Superman, and the film certainly resisted doing so) made no effort whatsoever to get civilians out of harm's way. (Well, beyond telling the Smallvillians to "get inside," which was dreadful advice because the battle promptly moved into the populated buildings. But then, he must've picked that up from Jonathan Kent, who told people to get under an overpass during a tornado, which is exactly the wrong thing to do because it concentrates the wind and puts people in more danger.)

 

[Tosk]

But how does a bunch of people getting shot at by Chitauri constitute an argument that superheroes must be kept in check?

I don't know, I'm on Team Cap. You complained that they looked chagrined when showed footage of destruction, I opined that it's not out of line. I never meant to go much beyond that, so I'll just respectfully agree to disagree from here on.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Killed or injured by who?

You don't say.

But how does a bunch of people getting shot at by Chitauri constitute an argument that superheroes must be kept in check? Wasn't the whole point of that film that superheroes were needed, because they stopped an alien attack?

How was taking down Project Insight in any way a bad thing? Someone got crushed by a helicarrier on its way down, or something? Is this a "will no one think of the low-level Triskelion employees" kind of deal? What was the alternative? What should Steve & friends have done differently?

About the only one you could make a case for is Ultron, because of Ultron having been created by Stark/Banner in the first place. But why bring "New York" and "DC" into it as if they help prove the point?

Having the good guys all fighting amongst themselves was a bit easier to buy into when Loki's scepter was behind it.

Loki only came to Earth in the first place because of Thor, so there's still an argument to be made for that one.

More importantly, the purpose of that entire speech is exactly what General Ross says: People are scared.

New York and Washington scared the hell out of people. And Washington simultaneously proved that the people who were supposed to be protecting you might actually be plotting to kill you. And the Avengers made everything worse by creating Ultron. And Shield (on the tv show) made everything worse by leaking terrigen into the water and distributing superheroes randomly around the world.

The idea that this would all lead to a heavy clamoring for more control over superheroes is perfectly logical, regardless of whether all those incidents were their fault or not.

And having the good guys fight each other here has basically nothing to do with this argument. They're fighting because Cap believes the new system is overreaching and leading to injustice and Tony believes that he has to stop being a loner and start following the rules (because he feels guilty about Ultron).

 

[davejames]

I prefer to think it shows how good the Avengers are at their job. Remember, in both films the Avengers focused heavily on evacuating civilians from the danger zone, while Kal-El in MoS (I hesitate to call him Superman, and the film certainly resisted doing so) made no effort whatsoever to get civilians out of harm's way. (Well, beyond telling the Smallvillians to "get inside," which was dreadful advice because the battle promptly moved into the populated buildings. But then, he must've picked that up from Jonathan Kent, who told people to get under an overpass during a tornado, which is exactly the wrong thing to do because it concentrates the wind and puts people in more danger.)

Well not to rehash the same old arguments for the umpteenth time... but Superman was just one guy going up against a bunch of well-trained kryptonian soldiers (who didn't appear willing to wait for him to evacuate the city first), as well as two powerful and well-defended world engines which clearly needed to be his main priority lest the planet as a whole be destroyed.

And of course it was also highly convenient for the Marvel characters that their writers resisted having their villains or huge flying monsters do any major damage to the cities they invaded in the first place.

New York and Washington scared the hell out of people. And Washington simultaneously proved that the people who were supposed to be protecting you might actually be plotting to kill you. And the Avengers made everything worse by creating Ultron. And Shield (on the tv show) made everything worse by leaking terrigen into the water and distributing superheroes randomly around the world.

The idea that this would all lead to a heavy clamoring for more control over superheroes is perfectly logical, regardless of whether all those incidents were their fault or not.

Yeah for all the good these heroes have done in the world, it's also clear that they've helped inspire or unleash all kinds of crazy supervillains and destructive citywide battles as well in their time on Earth. And it's easy to see how many people would be highly annoyed and irritated by that, and would be tempted to just lump all those heroes and villains into one group.

 

[dahj]

And of course it was also highly convenient for the Marvel characters that their writers resisted having their villains or huge flying monsters do any major damage to the cities they invaded in the first place.

Marvel villains do seem to really hate going after civilians.
Except that kid that Quicksilver had to save. They really hated that kid for some reason...

 

[Kemaiku]

Panther shouldn't be bulletproof, although it's possible he's wearing enough kevlar to take a round or two. But on the running thing, he's not just "a guy in a suit" - he has access to a Wakandan herb that can be distilled into a potion not unlike a temporary version of Cap's super-serum.

Or Wakanda being where all the Vibranium comes from, he has a kevlar-vibranium fibre suit. Sure it'll still sting, but it would render the suit mostly kinetically resistant and bullet proof.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

But why bring "New York" and "DC" into it as if they.

Especially since both of them were ultimately caused by the sort of group that would be enforcing multinational control of the Avengers screwing up royally.

 

[Set Harth]

And having the good guys fight each other here has basically nothing to do with this argument.

I know, that comment was intended to be a side thing.

 

[Mage]

Escalation.

Remember the end of Batman Begins? How Gordon realizes thing will escalate from now on, because baddies need to trump Batman, so Batman needs to trump them, and they need to.....

Same difference. The moment superheroes became a thing on Earth, the baddies on Earth (and beyond) needed to step up their game. Which ment our heroes needed to aswell. And when big things become bigger, it's the little people that get effed. I mean, Winter Soldier alone.... How many collateral damage did the chase for Fury costs that city? Even if people were only superficially wounded, property damage needs to be fixed, which ultimatly leads to the common folk paying for stuff like that. Not to mention the amount of people actually dying in all the attacks throughout the world sofar.

Having said that......

Yes, I am TeamCap, because without the line of defence that our heroes are, we'd be humped. That, and, I get Steve. That in the end, I'd go a long way for a friend. And let's be real, Steve can talk a good talk, the real reason he's doing what he think he needs to do, is Bucky.

 

[tomalak301]

The CA films have been my favorite films of the MCU but that trailer didn't do much for me. It was pretty good, but seeing Spiderman was kind of lame, as I thought he looked like a Spiderman/Deadpool mutant or something. I still love the look of Tobey McGuire's Spiderman, with the more slicker suit. The first trailer felt more urgent and more personal. Still looking forward to seeing it though.

 

[dahj]

Headlines are becoming interesting

 

[M.A.C.O.]

^

Ah this is so much fun.

 

[tomalak301]

I watched the trailer again this morning (Thinking maybe I was in a bad mood on Thursday night or something) and it was better. I really do loved that they got more into the political side of it, talking about New York, Slovakia, and Washington DC. I still don't like the look of Spider-Man though. Maybe it was just he was too bright, or the eyes made him look like a Deadpool mutant, but I keep going back to the Toby MaGuire spider-man (And even Andrew Garfield, even though I never saw his sequel) and thought that look was much better. This one feels like he was taken straight out of the animated series.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

It really helps to take a look at the high resolution picture to take in all the costume details.

 

[Relayer1]

It really helps to take a look at the high resolution picture to take in all the costume details.

Not really.

It just looks kind of cartoony and lacking in detail, but in hi-res...

 

[STEPhon IT]

As for the new trailer, I liked the Spider-Man mask but not a fan of the overall costume. I'm still looking forward to this movie than BvS.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I think it's an odd choice to go so low-tech looking and basic (compared to previous Spidey movie costumes) and then put the high-tech blinky eyes on it, but we'll see how it plays in the film.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I'm on the fence about the costume. There are things that I like and there are things that I'm iffy about.

It must have been difficult for the costume designers to come up with something that looks still looks classic and yet is different enough from the previous movie costumes to be distinct.

 

[Set Harth]

Slovakia

You mean Sokovia.