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I liked it, but it's not without its flaws.
Spoilers...
The good:
The fight scene at the airport was very good. One of the most entertaining superhero fight scenes I've seen. Love Ant-man and Spider-man in particular.
All the characters\acting were great. The humor was good and not excessive like it can sometimes become.
The didn't do a rest button at the end. The next movie might undo this, but I really like it that the movie didn't end with everyone being friends again (as much as they tried to put a more optimistic spin on the ending).
Spiderman was great.
The not so good:
The movie stopping for the spiderman recruitment scene. It interrupted the pace and it seems silly that Stark would fly half way across the world in mid crisis to maybe convince him to come (when they never met before).
The rational for the airport fight scene was forced. Captain America dismissing the option to talk to Stark about the threat was contrived. It should have been something like this:
IM: "I must bring you in!"
CA: "But we must stop this dude in Siberia from activating more winter solders!"
IM: "Can we do it in less then 36 hours?"
CA: "I don't see why not"
IM: "Let's roll"....
Also, the bad guy couldn't have known that only the relevant trio will show up at the base or that Bucky would be brought to Germany (why did they send German police if the bombing was in Austria? Did I miss something?).
Overall very enjoyable. B+
Some random thoughts:
Would the Sokovia accord apply to non-Avengers? If I'm a superhero on vacation abroad and stop a mugging, am I breaking the law?
The UN having control over the Avengers could be funny if Doctor Doom was part of the MCU....
I completely agree with you analysis. Thanks for saving me a whole bunch of typing. I gave it a B+ also, simply because it had way to much going on, but unlike some other super hero team up flicks, it gave everyone a moment to shine and stay true to their characters. Spidey was awesome though.
Saw this last night and thought it was awesome. A bit sluggish to begin with but once everything was set up and the ball started rolling it just got better and better with each passing moment.
Caught me off guard as well. I'd gone in definitely in Team Cap but have to admit to wavering near the beginning. Thankfully I was soon firmly back in Steve's camp. Chuffed that everyone got their moment (some more than one.) I don't know much about Black Panther but I thought he came across very well so looking forward to his solo film. Not as much as I'm looking forward to Spider-Man's though! Wow he was great, perfect, don't care that he was shoehorned in.
Have to say though "Sleazy billionaire grooms vulnerable teen" should be a newspaper headline
Better than Age of Ultron by some margin, and at times did feel more like an Avengers film than a Captain America one but only sometimes, Cap was the beating heart of it. Loved Bucky and Sam in the car.
The airport fight was the standout, everyone was on top form (Even Hawkeye and I've never been a fan) The only quibble I have is that, given the powers of some people there, I'm surprised no one could stop Warmachine careering into the ground?
Loved the misdirection and the reveal of what was really going on. Zemo was a far more nuanced Machiavellian villain than Lex had been in BvS and his plan at least made sense. I knew going in this was going to blow BvS out of the water and I wasn't disappointed. I think it is fair to compare them as both deal with superhero registration, both hinge on two men who should be on the same side being manipulated into fighting each other, and in both instances the tone of the finale shifted because of
a reference to characters' mothers
A couple of minor quibbles. I didn't like that Black Widow basically disappeared from the film after the airport fight. I know it's probably a very Natasha Romanoff thing to do and it might have been hard to put her back in the story later on, but I did miss her. And seriously when is she getting her own bloody film!
The only other thing that didn't make sense was how come Steve knew
that the Winter Soldier had killed Stark's parents?
I didn't understand where he'd got that info from? Given how many huh? What? Why?s I had coming out of BvS I'm willing to let it slide!
We're not going to have to wait 2 years for these guys to be busted out now are we?
And IIRC, he said that he didn't know that it was specifically Bucky that killed Stark's parents, but he knew it was Hydra.
On a related note, I didn't realize that John Slattery was going to be appearing as Howard. Who else was hoping for a cameo from James D'arcy as Edwin Jarvis in the flashback?
Ah I'd forgotten that, thanks. Although that only says Hydra did it, not necessarily the WS. Hydra must have had a lot of assassins? Oops well pointed out Turtletrekker!
I enjoyed this movie immensely although I thought it didn't quite live up to the Winter Soldier which is my favorite movie of the MCU. I enjoyed how this movie really felt like a family breaking apart and fighting it out, and the movie did a wonderful job being evenhanded with both sides. Each person felt like they were doing the right thing which is all you can really hope for. This movie also felt like the culmination of 8(?) years of buildup in the MCU. We've watched this family form, we know the relationships, the drama, the history, the interplay between everyone which made it more heart wrenching when everyone came to blows. Its almost like we were witness the breakup of a family which is always traumatic for all those involved. We are in other words invested in the Avengers, which meant that we were invested in the characters which is always a great thing.
Quick points. Black Panther was awesome, and although I enjoyed Spidey's inclusion I agree with a previous poster that his recruitment scenes slowed down the pacing of the movie. I will say this though, the MCU gets the character right, he felt natural and added a needed sense of humor into the movie. I loved some of the call backs to the comics, one scene in particular was ripped straight from the cover of Civil War #7 and the straw that broke the camels back so to speak for the Sokovia Accords was a direct allusion to a similar event in the comics. Well done. Ant-man was awesome, a whole lot cooler than I thought he would be, and some of the call backs in dialogue where spot on between the characters, "Hank Pym always said you couldn't trust a Stark" one of the main examples. The addition of Thunderbolt Ross as basically the enforcer of the accords was also spot on and in line with what we have already seen with the character in the MCU. This movie honestly was the real Avengers 2, not AOU.
Baron Zemo was a great behind the scenes villain in this movie and in the end you sympathized why he was doing what he was doing. He did a great job of manipulating everyone and his last line in the movie was pitch perfect. While not on the level of Fisk or Purple man from the netflix series, Zemo is definitely right up there with Loki for best movie villains for Marvel.
I enjoyed this movie tremendously and one more thing...there is no reason Aunt May should be so cute. Im just sayin'
Most of my thoughts were covered by other posters, but I will add for emphasis: Finally! They finally got Spiderman right. He stole every scene he was in, and I can't wait for his stand alone film.
Quick side notes: Hot Aunt May for the win!
The final fight between Tony, Steve, and Bucky, was amazing, brutal, and personal. Best fight scene in the MCU.
I enjoyed how this film never looked away from the consequences of the hero's actions and there was no "reboot" where everyone was okey dokey with each other.
One of the more complex and realistic villain portrayals in the MCU and I am looking forward to seeing more Zemo.
Every time Clint Barton is on screen, I am reminded that I want to see a standalone Hawkeye film.
I agree with the Spiderman scene. It would have been a little cooler for him just to drop into the airport fight out of the blue. There were a few scenes that broke up the pace. I'm fine with all of the location jumps, but in the beginning it did get to be a bit much.
Overall, awesome action sequences and despite the spot-on Tony Stark humor and other light-hearted jabs between Avengers, this was a very serious and dark story line for them to bring to the screen, and I was impressed with how they handled the tension between "friends / colleagues."
I liked it, but it's not without its flaws.
Spoilers...
The good:
The fight scene at the airport was very good. One of the most entertaining superhero fight scenes I've seen. Love Ant-man and Spider-man in particular.
All the characters\acting were great. The humor was good and not excessive like it can sometimes become.
The didn't do a rest button at the end. The next movie might undo this, but I really like it that the movie didn't end with everyone being friends again (as much as they tried to put a more optimistic spin on the ending).
Spiderman was great.
The not so good:
The movie stopping for the spiderman recruitment scene. It interrupted the pace and it seems silly that Stark would fly half way across the world in mid crisis to maybe convince him to come (when they never met before).
It's not addressed, but by not saying *how* he knew, Steve is basically covering for Nat in that exchange with Tony. As we see in the clip above, she also knew about Stark's parents and didn't tell him.
No film is flawless and I don't need it to be. This is probably the best Avengers movie so far and it wasn't even technically an Avengers movie. It juggled the cast far better, gave each and every one of them a reason to be there and at least a small character arc. Ant-Man & Spider-Man were neat additions. I love that they didn't even bother with Spider-Man's origin and they trust the audience knows the basics of it by now. Not even a hint. No mention of Uncle Ben, or Oscorp or any specifics other than the fact "it" happened about six months ago.
I think the biggest surprise for me is Black Panther. Specifically how effortlessly they introduced him, explained what he's about and giving him a fairly profound arc that's still central to the plot and unburdens his solo movie from having to even bother with an origin story because they pretty much just did it.
That may actually be the key as to why this worked so much better on a character level than 'Age of Ultron'. In that movie everyone's stories were all pulling in a dozen different directions, while here, all of the inter-personal stuff felt relevant to the central plot.
Side note: it just occurred to me that unless something relevant happens in Thor 3, the next time we see the Avengers might actually be the Black Panther movie as they could still be hiding out in Wakanda by that point.
Spider-man was definitely the highlight of the movie for me. One thing I really liked about his portrayal (other than the humor of course) was that even in the Spider-man outfit, he still looked like a kid next to all these adults. That's something they don't even get right in the animated versions.
This is probably the best Avengers movie so far and it wasn't even technically an Avengers movie. It juggled the cast far better, gave each and every one of them a reason to be there and at least a small character arc. Ant-Man & Spider-Man were neat additions.
I thought it seemed like he was admitting to Tony that he knew it was Bucky.
Having watched the relevant scene in TWS again, it actually isn't clear that it was supposed to be Bucky specifically. Maybe this was supposed to be inferred?
It's not really an Avengers film, even though there is clearly a through line, it's very centered and focused on Steve Rogers and the characters that dominate his solo series since The First Avenger. I saw it with a packed crowd at 7:30pm last night and everyone was into the film. No one on their phone. The energy was kinetic and people were having gasps, laughs and shrieks during the film, including my wife who is an easy "get" on shock moments. I plan to see it again, if for no other reason than like the first Avenger film where you missed lines of dialogue to still laughing, that happened here.
That said the film has it's tone well balanced between the seriousness of the plot and the moments when levity can be used for the characters to breathe a bit. This is something Warners could take notes on. I didn't out right hate BvS but it was not remotely the fun experience that CA:CW was. Being dark and overly brooding doesn't instantly make it some "deep" film as if humor equates to brainless zombies who can't think .
I'll be real curious to see what it's OW number turns out to be. I expect that the WOM coupled with that great critic&audience RT score should propel it high and maintain great legs till Memorial Day.
My big surprise, and why I avoid Spoilers: OMG we got so much of Spiderman/Peter/Aunt May in that second act that I did not expect!!
Steve busted them all out at the end. That's why he writes the letter to Tony. Then that mid-credit scene shows them in Wakanda. I'm making a leap here but I'm assuming the whole Team Cap group is there as well...for now.
